Not sure how many games he played in HKR academy, but he played at least 1 season in Saints academy, so I'm sure they will claim him.

Pretty sure about half of Saints team will be academy players. They'll have plenty more around Super League like Ashurst with us. The main reason why it's generally only Leeds, Wigan and Saints that win much. Biggest teams with the best academies attract the best talent, win more trophies, make more money and attract the next lot of top class youngsters and the cycle repeats.

Sorry dawson was from Cas originally, white was definitely through Hudds as i watched him in the juniors there, thought hudson did too but memory may be playing tricks.

Yeah, didn't doubt that, just hard to picture them sometimes.

Wilkin, was brought in from HKR, but still went through the Saints academy - do you know how many games though?

It gets very confusing but Hudson was not a Wakefield product he started at Hudds though he definitely is from Wakefield - Stanley Rangers I think.

However Hudds have nicked plenty off us through the years.

Thought Matty Dawson was at Wakey first (could have been scholarship level...or could be wrong), but told he'd never make it - along with Greg Eden too.

Sorry but all three came through Huddersfield’s academy.

I’m not sure Huddersfield can claim Andy Raleigh as a home grown though.

He went to uni then started at Sheffield eagles didn’t he?

Dawson = Cas. Played for Wakefield College academy, which is what confused me.

And he's not in SL, so is out of bounds in this thread!

He left the Academy to go to uni, definitely a hudds lad and through the academy

didnt say they had to stillbe in sl

Yes he was at cas you are right. Plays for Leigh now though.

I know he’s a Huddersfield lad but didn’t realise he was there before uni.

We could be here for days though. Is this limited to superleague years or last ten years or something then? If not it’s a pretty big task

Tenuous!

The title of the thread is "Rank SL teams on the their ability to create academy stars"...

The lower leagues will be full of players who never got near first team in SL...are they the "stars" the OP is enquiring about?

Absolutely correct.

Needs to be "currently in SL", otherwise it's a nonsense...and near impossible.

True, OP talks about players who “benefitted” SL and people are listing any old Joe Average or kids that have a handful of appearances. One team could have more academy players than another club but that club could’ve produced much more better players who had a bigger impact on SL

I don't think it is a success for most academies to have had players that go on to have good super league careers, but did not debut in SO for that club. Seems to me that is failing to develop talent that was later proven. Exceptions being Leeds and Wigan who produce so many

I would say they had to have spent the majority of their career in SL. Players who played a couple years at the end of their careers in a lower league can still be discussed, like Micky Higham.

It’s very difficult to define an academy product. Some players go all the way from under 13’s development squads to first team at one club. Others go through various clubs at different stages.

Ryan Hampshire for instance was on Wakefield’s books as a young kid, then got picked up by Hull before finishing at Wigan. I’d have to call him a Wigan product but two other clubs played a part and that’s not unusual. If you go a long way back Leeds have a claim on Tom Johnstone but seriously I don’t think anyone would call him a product of the Leeds club.

Oats and Dagger are two Wakefield products who moved to other Academies shortly before making the first team. Both in truth are Wakey products but will go down as produced by there new clubs and in truth that’s fair enough if a little vexing.

As I say it’s complex.

If we were to rank teams on the number of current Super League players to come through their academy I would go for

Leeds
Wigan
Castleford
Catalans
Huddersfield
Warrington
Saints
Wakefield
Widnes
Hull combined
Salford

Well, when your finger has dried from licking it and sticking it in the air, how about justifying your opinion with some figures?

For example, I'm not sure there are that many Catalans products in the league (don't confuse being French with being a Catalans product).

Saints must be doing something right they top the tables for Superleague/Academy/Womens. The academy team attract players because of the structure and the tour against the australian teams. Also there are only two teams in Wigan and Saints that could field a competitive sidein super league from academy level past and present.

How do the Hull clubs manage with a shared academy? Do they pick a player each (like an NFL draft) or how do they decide who gets which player?

Wakefield have 6 (Jowitt, Johnstone, Wood, Batchelor, Crowther, Anakin), with 4 (Hooley, Wray, Kershaw and Ackroyd), in the first team squad, but yet to break through.

Elsewhere in SL, they "produced" Ferguson, Murphy, Griffin, Dagger, Oakes, Brough, Westwood.

Not as good as some, but not bad. It's just under 10% of the SL pool (based on 12x17; not point doing it by squad, as they are all different sizes/qualities).

With a big % of the pool being overseas players, it's actually over 10%.