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| Quote ="Big Steve"Saints v Wigan game. There were two tackle between 60-70m where a saints player came in as 3rd man and 'attacked' the legs of the wigan player. There was also a possible chicken wing by Dixon.
Any outcry? Any injuries. Any lynch mob after Simmons?
If it isn't wigan, or his name isn't lima then it isn't commented on.'"
Rubbish. Don't believe that for a second. Tell me the exact minutes and I'll check it out.
Just about every coach in the NRL has complained about Melbourne's approach and most in SL about Wigan's. Can you not see some link there?
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"But its a nonsense to suggest that the intent is to injure players - the intent is to win games.'"
Those tackles are not necessaily put in with [iintent[/i to injure, but with total disregard for the [ipotential[/i to injure, which fits with the 'win at all costs' culture that appears to have been created at Wigan.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Plenty of players have been injured by their tackling techniques. Solomona was a big story, but the likes of Jake Emmit had his season finished by Lima and I'm sure a few more did.'"
Solomona was a 'big story' because Tony Smith whinged like a little girl.
That was a perfectly legitimate tackle.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Rubbish. Don't believe that for a second. Tell me the exact minutes and I'll check it out.
Just about every coach in the NRL has complained about Melbourne's approach and most in SL about Wigan's. Can you not see some link there?'"
So i guess if Craig Bellamy and Mike Maguire were available all of those clubs that have complained would not be interested in employing them?
Of course they would.
If you have some stats showing the amount of career ending / threatening tackles that Melbourne / Wigan have made compared to other clubs then im all ears.
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| Quote ="warrior24"A young up and coming coach in Australia given the opportunity to cut his teeth in the UK =#FF0000with the worlds biggest club. Makes no signings takes them to league leaders and a grand final win in his first year. Then comes a =#FF0000narrow loss to St George in the world club challenge, then he guides them to a CC final win (best team in the comp by far). Then he coaches a team to second spot (only 4 losses in weekly rounds) for them to lose narrowly in the semi final. He's now heading back to Oz to coach probably the most historic team in the NRL.
He's never moaned about our game, player or team, and comes across very proffesional in his approach to the game.
British RL fans are fickle.'"
How did you decide that Wigan are the biggest Club in the World based on what measurement?
Wigans loss to St George in the WCC was not that close in reality, St George went up a gear when ever they had to and handed Wigan a master class in how to play.
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| Quote ="Jonesy"How did you decide that Wigan are the biggest Club in the World based on what measurement?'"
Based on semi-pro trophies. They can't be bettered.
Just because Brisbane is a bigger club than Wigan doesn't make it a bigger club than Wigan.
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| Quote ="dany1979"So i guess if Craig Bellamy and Mike Maguire were available all of those clubs that have complained would not be interested in employing them?
Of course they would.
If you have some stats showing the amount of career ending / threatening tackles that Melbourne / Wigan have made compared to other clubs then im all ears.'"
Bellamy has won nothing at Melbourne and Maguire fluked a Grand Final at Wigan. Neither are in the top eschelon of coaching.
Maguire has shown himself to be a short sighted coach lacking in tactical depth. Once Royce figured out a masterplan he was beaten. Had Maguire rested his key players and brought through some of the much vaunted youth Wigan might not have limped so pathetically out of the playoffs.
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| Quote ="Wilbred T Pricklepop"Well thank god that's over.
He rolled into super league and butchered the game. He turned one of the games premier clubs into an anti rugby team. A team that niggled and spoiled it's way to victory. A team that, how should I put this without getting trouble? They used 'questionable' tackling and ruck techniques (you all know what I'm talking about).
I don't know Maguire personally, he could be a stand up bloke in real life, but purely on him as rugby coach he's a tw*t of the highest order for the way he coached his team to play.
Hopefully wigans next coach will revert back to their tradition and be pro rugby like we all know they are capable of doing.'"
he did'nt butcher the game and I think most if not all clubs over here would defo have him as head coach just look at what he has done with wigan in the 2 years he was here and i think it was clever what he done. 
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Based on semi-pro trophies. They can't be bettered.
Just because Brisbane is a bigger club than Wigan doesn't make it a bigger club than Wigan.'"
But Trophies won from different competitions is not necessaries a yardstick.
That is not comparing Apples with Apples, Wigan were a Shark swimming with minnows for a decade and they were expected to win nearly everything.
The biggest Club in the game is the one that has the most fans, the biggest crowds, generates the most revenue etc.
The fact that South Sydney and St George have won plenty of titles in the past does not make them contenders for the biggest Club in the Game nowadays.
The fact they employed an assistant NRL Coach who left at the first opportunity to get a first grade spot in the NRL is an indicator of Wigans current standing.
In my opinion...
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| Quote ="Jonesy"But Trophies won from different competitions is not necessaries a yardstick.
That is not comparing Apples with Apples, Wigan were a Shark swimming with minnows for a decade and they were expected to win nearly everything.
The biggest Club in the game is the one that has the most fans, the biggest crowds, generates the most revenue etc.
The fact that South Sydney and St George have won plenty of titles in the past does not make them contenders for the biggest Club in the Game nowadays.
The fact they employed an assistant NRL Coach who left at the first opportunity to get a first grade spot in the NRL is an indicator of Wigans current standing.
In my opinion...'"
Sorry, I forgot you were Australian, it probably needed a smiley.
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| Quote ="Eye of the viking"he did'nt butcher the game and I think most if not all clubs over here would defo have him as head coach just look at what he has done with wigan in the 2 years he was here and i think it was clever what he done.
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No ta.
He won a title. in the biggest games in the playoffs he faced 2 teams without their key players (leeds - mcguire and peacock, saints - halfbacks).
He won the CC. Wigan raced into a lead in the first 15 minutes then clung on for dear life the other 60, getting every single 50/50 call form the ref in the process.
Most neutrals consider leeds unlucky not to have won and many believed they might have deserved to win.
Luck and circumstance, combined with spoiling tactics.
No ta.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Rubbish. Don't believe that for a second. Tell me the exact minutes and I'll check it out.
Just about every coach in the NRL has complained about Melbourne's approach and most in SL about Wigan's. Can you not see some link there?'"
Don't have the exact times. Look after 60m.
Just because people complain doesn't mean it's true - even if lots of them do.
Some coaches have been known to bring attention to other coaches tactics to try and influence the ref - who'd have thought that!!
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| Once again, going in the wrong direction.
The problem SL's forwards have been having this season are head high tackles with two of our best, Graham and Morley, suffering particularly badly.
Wigan's two worst game for this were v HullFC.
The game at the DW was a thug a thon with Manu leading the way followed by Yeaman. Three brawls, no action from Ganson for 70 mins then, rightly, sending off Joel Tomkins. The game at the KC, three Wigan forwards sent from the field due to blood pouring down their faces from head tackles. All three needing stitches.
The RFL/SL has just got it wrong. No one has been hurt with three or four man tackles. Numerous players have been hurt and damaged this year by head high tackles. Let's hope something is done for next season.
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| Quote ="Wilbred T Pricklepop"No ta.
He won a title. in the biggest games in the playoffs he faced 2 teams without their key players (leeds - mcguire and peacock, saints - halfbacks).
He won the CC. Wigan raced into a lead in the first 15 minutes then clung on for dear life the other 60, getting every single 50/50 call form the ref in the process.
Most neutrals consider leeds unlucky not to have won and many believed they might have deserved to win.
Luck and circumstance, combined with spoiling tactics.
No ta.'"
you can only play whats in front of you. End the day he won two major trophies in two years and there not spoiling tactics its very clever tactics. it proves one thing know if they race into leads and hang on that they have a good defence. 
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| Quote ="Wilbred T Pricklepop"No ta.
He won a title. in the biggest games in the playoffs he faced 2 teams without their key players (leeds - mcguire and peacock, saints - halfbacks).
He won the CC. Wigan raced into a lead in the first 15 minutes then clung on for dear life the other 60, getting every single 50/50 call form the ref in the process.
Most neutrals consider leeds unlucky not to have won and many believed they might have deserved to win.
Luck and circumstance, combined with spoiling tactics.
No ta.'"
You lost. That's the way the cookie crumbles.
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| If theres one good thing m****re has done it's build wigan fans up and give them delusions of grandeur, only for them to be crashed back down and dissapointed.
Over the last 2 years the level of disrespect they have shown to saints and leeds acheivements is astounding. It's why the final this year is so fitting. You don't hear any pundits or officials bemoaning the loss of m****re do you? He can take his tactics and his receeding hairline and feck right off.
Wigan have used spoiling tactics to suffocate the opposition, before using systematic well drilled attacking lines and patterns to post points.
Rugby by it's very nature lends itself to flair and unpredictability in attack, something leeds and saints thrive off. Wigans patterns of attack are predictable and repetitive, but systematic in their nature hard to counteract. However it seems this year they have been worked out.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"Once again, going in the wrong direction.
The problem SL's forwards have been having this season are head high tackles with two of our best, Graham and Morley, suffering particularly badly.
Wigan's two worst game for this were v HullFC.
The game at the DW was a thug a thon with Manu leading the way followed by Yeaman. Three brawls, no action from Ganson for 70 mins then, rightly, sending off Joel Tomkins. The game at the KC, three Wigan forwards sent from the field due to blood pouring down their faces from head tackles. All three needing stitches.
The RFL/SL has just got it wrong. No one has been hurt with three or four man tackles. Numerous players have been hurt and damaged this year by head high tackles. Let's hope something is done for next season.'"
good point but you do realise hoffman and coley are amongst the worst offenders for head shirts
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| Jeeze you get less grief upsetting the scientology lot.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Rubbish. Don't believe that for a second. Tell me the exact minutes and I'll check it out.
Just about every coach in the NRL has complained about Melbourne's approach and most in SL about Wigan's. Can you not see some link there?'"
61.32 roby third man in, not much in it.62.44 shenton third man in worse than roby's.Don,t start whingeing you asked for times and got them.One other thing why was wellens waving his arms around again when the ball hit the post padding.Both the above where on lima.
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| Quote ="alectrician"One other thing why was wellens waving his arms around again when the ball hit the post padding'"
Because the ref got the decision wrong again.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Because the ref got the decision wrong again.'"
He hadn't made a decision,he went to the screen.
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| Quote ="alectrician"He hadn't made a decision,he went to the screen.'"
No, he did. He gave a drop out and was advised to go to the screen by whoever was talking in his ear. He whistled for the drop out, then you could see him obviously listening to his ear piece and then he went for the screen.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"No, he did. He gave a drop out and was advised to go to the screen by whoever was talking in his ear. He whistled for the drop out, then you could see him obviously listening to his ear piece and then he went for the screen.'"
Don't know why because he had a decent view of the incident.
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| Quote ="Wilbred T Pricklepop"No ta.
He won a title. in the biggest games in the playoffs he faced 2 teams without their key players (leeds - mcguire and peacock, saints - halfbacks).
He won the CC. Wigan raced into a lead in the first 15 minutes then clung on for dear life the other 60, getting every single 50/50 call form the ref in the process.
Most neutrals consider leeds unlucky not to have won and many believed they might have deserved to win.
Luck and circumstance, combined with spoiling tactics.
No ta.'"
Must of been real lucky then to win @ warrington and beat St Helens on the way to wembley. While Leeds did play well and could of won it, to say Wigan were lucky is absurd considering who they beat and the way they won those games on the way to wembley.
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| Quote ="liger1992"Must of been real lucky then to win @ warrington and beat St Helens on the way to wembley. While Leeds did play well and could of won it, to say Wigan were lucky is absurd considering who they beat and the way they won those games on the way to wembley.'"
Wigan were and are a myth.
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