A major reason why the "lesser" union clubs are better able to compete is the player drain experienced by the big boys during the 6 nation, autumn internationals etc. Which is why their fans tend increasingly regard their GF equivalent as a better barometer.

In regard to RU's P&R, this is going to have to change IMO. The premiership clubs lose, on average, over £3m per year. That's each. Last time I heard, about 4 were up for sale and most had been for some time. The uncertainty of P&R may not be wholly responsible for stymying new investment but it sure as hell ain't helping. And I suspect none of the less successful league teams will ever attract the level of investment needed to challenge for as long as it's impossible to determine what the long term costs of such a venture might be.

Quote Seth="Seth"Im looking on here www.premiershiprugby.com/about-us/history/ and can see 7since 96. Who am i missing? See if you can reply without being a pillock.'" Since 1996 the winners of the rfu profesional premiership have included: Bath, leicester, saracens, wasps, Newcastle, Northampton, sale, Harlequins and Exeter. .......no need to be a pillock when supported by fact....these aresults winners of the com petition as it was run at the time...... once we get to grand finals london irish and Gloucester have been bridesmaids meaning 11 of the current 12 have been at the business end of the season.....

Quote Seth="Seth"Im looking on here www.premiershiprugby.com/about-us/history/ and can see 7since 96. Who am i missing? See if you can reply without being a pillock.'" Since 1996 the winners of the rfu profesional premiership have included: Bath, leicester, saracens, wasps, Newcastle, Northampton, sale, Harlequins and Exeter. .......no need to be a pillock when supported by fact....these aresults winners of the com petition as it was run at the time...... once we get to grand finals london irish and Gloucester have been bridesmaids meaning 11 of the current 12 have been at the business end of the season.....

Nice one, just cut out the pillock bit next time and youre on to a winner.



RU administrators are certainly more forward thinking than their RL equivalent.

I've read the thread several times, and I'm now completely lost as to who's the stupid person (definition of pillock)?



Maybe it's me........

I believe it was me who was called a pillock.......possibly because when asked to fins a sport that had little if any change to its structure over the last 22 years which had prospered I reverted to type.......and when faced with the reality of me being right after questioning my facts I was then called a name......standard rl forum fare to be honest. The truth has no place here, only opinion and only if it's positive and and out my club....

"Do you work in PR? English Premiership Rugby Union professional comp has been won by 9 different teams in the period that SL has existed.....no matter that they took a few years to adapt to the knock out stuff.....but that was a lovely bit of spin....if you're not in PR, Australian Cricket perhaps?"



Here you go. You were correct obviously re RU winners and i couldnt find the numbers due to the changes in structure and therefore was wrong (not really standard rl forum fare to admit that i know). I challenged the information and you backed it up. I agreed about how forward thinking RU is. The pillock assertion was for the 2 sarcastic digs that were unwarrented and just kind of came accross a bit pillockish.



As i said earlier i think the games at a longtime low and i follow leeds but im not a die hard fan and theyve been the winners of a tallest dwarf equivalent last year (cas aside til they choked). So how does that fit with your 'the truth has no place' and 'only if its positive'?

Back on topic.



London 10 - 30 Toulouse is the half time score. It looks like lots of people have underestimated Toulouse this year, myself included.

16-36 final score

Table topping Toulouse have left the flatcappers speechless.

Toronto are looking like they are going to win comfortably against Featherstone.



When this thread was started, nobody thought it was possible and many took it as a bit tongue in cheek.



As the weeks roll on and they keep winning, it’s looking more and more possible that two of Toronto, London or Toulouse could get promoted?

The RFL have not yet decided whether or not there is to be promotion/relegation at the end of the season.



If Toulouse and Toronto look like qualifying there will be!

There will be promotion and relegation under the super 8 format as has been the case for the last few years. The thing that’s yet to be decided is the number of teams and league structure for 2019 onwards.

That could because it might not be changing according to Gary Heathrington on backchat. As sky/sl/championship/league 1 bought into this formula for a 7 year contract. To change would require everyone to agree, AND a change into the contract with sky.

I am sure that a revised contract with Sky could be negotiated, involving 14 SL teams, if Sky knew that Toulouse, Catalans, London, and Toronto would be in Super League, with New York to follow. But all of that definitely involves a return to licensing.

A newly negotiated contract for less than we are worth but with a 300k sweetener.....nah, can't see it myself

How would London's stadium fit in with licensing criteria Jean? I'll admit they have been ticking the boxes results-wise, in the Championship, but that usually counts for nothing under previous licensing criteria.

Do you mean SAMUEL BURGESS John ?

Er, don't you mean Chorley Jonathon

I have read various posts referring to him using multiple user names such as Lebron James , Sir Kevin Sinfield etc .



I assume someone has traced his i.p address to Chorley .

If this is correct he may think he is making fun out of other forum users , but he can’t be stable in his day to day life if he’s pretending to be these different people , and pretending to live in France . Bit sad really .

I too have read various posts, but have seen absolutely no evidence. Repeating a lie does not make it true.



Has some traced the i.p address to Chorley?

No. This Chorley nonsense is all the fabrication of a <REMOVED BY MOD, NOT ACCEPTABLE> from Wakefield.

Talking to yourself is a sure sign John, get help.

Who happens to be a moderator, Chorley Cake. And he's not <REMOVED> (nice wording nob). YOU should have been banned years ago.

Back on topic - it's not looking as good for London after the Easter programme, eh?

It is still a toss up between Toronto, Toulouse and London for the promotion to Super League in September.