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| Quote: dally messenger "
many RL clubs have prospered in england. is their success because of the RFL?
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Would you care to list these clubs that have prospered ? According to the latest accounts for most clubs there has been very little prospering going on.
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| Quote: dally messenger "its just so easy blaming all your (clubs) problems on someone else.'"
Where has littlerich done this? Once again you are making things up. Go back to the AFL.
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| Quote: Derwent "Would you care to list these clubs that have prospered ? According to the latest accounts for most clubs there has been very little prospering going on.'"
wigan, warrington, hudds, hull kr, st helens, catalans for sure.
only an idiot would use financial profitability to gauge the success of a sporting club.
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| Quote: a.n Other "Where has littlerich done this? Once again you are making things up. Go back to the AFL.'"
club failure = RFLs fault
clubs success = clubs efforts.
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| the current RFL leadership is the best its ever had.
if only it had people in place like this in 1895 you wouldnt be where you are.
indeed id take richard lewis over here if he was interested
what hes managed to achieve over there with a marginal sport, one can only imagine what he could achieve in australia.
the fact that he wasnt afraid to try france again after PSG or wales again after previous failure. for getting a massive tv rights increase last time which included expansion of SL by 2 spots and more money for clubs, and also getting nl1 and 2 games on TV to good audiences.
the guy is dead set brilliant
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| I agree Dally.
He makes mistakes but such a small sport needs to take risks to exapand or die trying. I did say somewhere else though for the next deal i'd maybe be looking at consolidation rather than expansion. There's many clubs in financial trouble and i'd look at keeping the caps the same and increasing the tv deal
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| Quote: dally messenger "wigan, warrington, hudds, hull kr, st helens, catalans for sure.
only an idiot would use financial profitability to gauge the success of a sporting club.'"
Only an idiot would ignore it. It's not hard to achieve "success" by spending money you don't have. Problem is that you have to pay it back and if you can't then everything collapses.
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| Quote: dally messenger "oops, i thought he was one of you guys'"
In other words, his opinions were bigotted flatcap rants before but now you know he's Welsh the exact same opinions are "okay".
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| Quote: dally messenger "wigan, warrington, hudds, hull kr, st helens, catalans for sure.
only an idiot would use financial profitability to gauge the success of a sporting club.'"
Only an absolute imbecile would realise that businesses who rely on input from one investor are a house of cards waiting to fall. Businesses which have no real assets to their name either. Google the name Brooks Mileson and learn something.
On-field success is no measure of the business - for the best example look what happened to Wigan after their prolonged domination of the sport. Virtually bankrupt and having to sell the family silver to survive.
I reckon ~80% of SL clubs are a heart attack away from administration. But hey, so long as they're 'prospering' then that's ok
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| Quote: dally messenger "club failure
But that doesn't answer my question. I asked you where littlerich has blamed anyone else for problems the team he supports has had?
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| Quote: a.n Other "But that doesn't answer my question. I asked you where littlerich has blamed anyone else for problems the team he supports has had?'"
He can't. As i've pointed out on many many many occasions Dally makes things up to pan out threads and, stupidly i know, people like us respond. He's nothing but a flaky troll. His posts lack substance and to be honest, he comes across as thick as pig sh[ii[/it.
As for Halifax - our problems stem from the fact that not enough people are coming through the turnstiles and yes, that's the club's problem to sort. This is why Widnes are best poised for 2012 because (millionaire businessman aside) they are getting the attendances. But dally doesn't read these parts of people's posts because it'll destroy his reason for living.
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| Quote: crucrucrusaders "
I cannot see the Crusaders making a profit any time soon never mind enough of a profit to fund a Wrexham FC push to get back in the league or to build a new stand which is what I've also heard elsewhere.'"
I can see a second side using the same stadium would bring some rent-relief to the AFC. Won't be a major profit though.
Obviously the Wrexam boss thinks it will be to their advantage, didn't think they were a registered charity!
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| Quote: dally messenger "what hes managed to achieve over there with a marginal sport, one can only imagine what he could achieve in australia.'"
It's still a marginal sport. The only difference before his arrival into RL is that clubs have higher debts now.
Unlike you though, i see the wider picture. It's not black and white. It's not his fault - it's the fault of the clubs and chairmen. They spend the cash. There Dally. A simple example of rational thought, rather than some flaky link between who you think is to blame for a given problem in the game.
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| Quote: Derwent "Only an absolute imbecile would realise that businesses who rely on input from one investor are a house of cards waiting to fall. Businesses which have no real assets to their name either. Google the name Brooks Mileson and learn something.
On-field success is no measure of the business - for the best example look what happened to Wigan after their prolonged domination of the sport. Virtually bankrupt and having to sell the family silver to survive.
I reckon ~80% of SL clubs are a heart attack away from administration. But hey, so long as they're 'prospering' then that's ok
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whats a RL club having assets mean for its financial future?
donny had a whole heap of land around tattersfield and went broke
fev own a lot of land around their ground and they arent exactly rolling in it
most sporting clubs around the world rely on external sources of income.
how many Premier LEague soccer clubs would survive without their sugar dadies?
but let me summarise the bitter old man thinking :
sugar daddy in soccer = sustainable, healthy
sugar daddy in RL = imminent failure
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| Quote: littlerich "It's still a marginal sport. The only difference before his arrival into RL is that clubs have higher debts now.
Unlike you though, i see the wider picture. It's not black and white. It's not his fault - it's the fault of the clubs and chairmen. They spend the cash. There Dally. A simple example of rational thought, rather than some flaky link between who you think is to blame for a given problem in the game.'"
yeah richard lewis is going to turn around 80 years of poor RFL management (maurice lindsay aside, he did a good job) straight away?
les cats are a shining success. the immunity from relegation saved them. their success is a mark of him.
but all i hear is how the RFLs plans for expansion are poorly thought out.
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