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Quote: Gaslight "Both penalty trys for me, especially the first one, if it wasn't so far towards the end of the game both would have been yellow cards too.'"


Don't penalty tries have to offences committed in the act of scoring, of which, neither were?

Hull KR got away with Cockayne (?) pulling back Brown when he was chasing the ball near to the tryline. Eddie thought that "Brown [had] been pushed". Should have been a penalty either way.

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Quote: Fully "Don't penalty tries have to offences committed in the act of scoring, of which, neither were?'"


There's a case for Brown being in the act of scoring, but isn't it denying a clear try scoring opportunity like a tackle off the ball when the player would have reached the ball?

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Quote: Gaslight "There's a case for Brown being in the act of scoring, but isn't it denying a clear try scoring opportunity like a tackle off the ball when the player would have reached the ball?'"


Just read the rules. The Hodgson one wasn't guaranteed to score, therefore, penalty. There's certainly a case for the offence on Brown to be given as one but very sketchy in my opinion.

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Galea was going for the ball though and so long as both players are going in the same direction I dont see a problem with it. Brown knocked on and there is no 100% certain that given Galea not diving that Brown would have scored anyway.

Again Hodgson, no way a penalty try. I have seen much more obvious ones not given so for me its a no on this one. Again its not 100% certain he would have scored. At the speed he was going, if Fox had waited until Hodgson had hit the ground then there is a slim possibility he may have been able to push him out or dislodge the ball? Small chance i know but a penalty try has to be 100% certain he would have scored - neither of these were for mine (first one was right call and not even a penalty anyway)

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Quote: El Capitano "Galea was going for the ball though and so long as both players are going in the same direction I dont see a problem with it. Brown knocked on and there is no 100% certain that given Galea not diving that Brown would have scored anyway.
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Attempt or not, the fact he went through the man to even gain that opportunity of getting the ball is wrong. Had he tried to come round Brown and swipe at it, fair enough, I could see your point. It's just one of those decisions though and if it had been any of our own sides we'd be saying it's correct decision so no qualms really.

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Quote: Fully "Just read the rules. The Hodgson one wasn't guaranteed to score, therefore, penalty. There's certainly a case for the offence on Brown to be given as one but very sketchy in my opinion.'"

How did you work that out?

Hodgson caught the ball cleanly and had it in his possession. He was moving towards and would have landed over the tryline. Without Fox's interference, what would have stopped him grounding it? Nothing. No-one. If that's not someone in the act of scoring I don't know what is.

Fox tackled him illegally in the air and pushed him into the flag and out of play.

World Cup Final. Hohaia was not in the act of scoring - he wasn't even in possession of the ball but just chasing it down and was taken out on the goal line, a distance from the ball. Hodgson, on the other hand, had the ball in his hands and was travelling over the goal line to score until taken out illegally.

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Quote: Cronus "How did you work that out?

Hodgson caught the ball cleanly and had it in his possession. He was moving towards and would have landed over the tryline. Without Fox's interference, what would have stopped him grounding it? Nothing. No-one. If that's not someone in the act of scoring I don't know what is.'"


You could argue that Fox could have gave Hodgson space and either secured the ball from being grounded or could have been pushed into touch as soon as his feet touched the ground.

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Quote: Matty_HullFC "Psssttt, I think Mr Morgan said that you can takcle the player in the air.'"


Do you really think that? d040.gif

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Quote: Fully "You could argue that Fox could have gave Hodgson space and either secured the ball from being grounded or could have been pushed into touch as soon as his feet touched the ground.'"

You could argue Hohaia might have tripped. That's not the point. Remove Fox from the equation and Hodgson scores. Simple as that.

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Morgan,Brown & Matterson all said they believe you can tackle the attacking player in the air. Thats 3 SL coaches that believe that interpretation of the rule. As Matterson said what are you meant to do let the Attacking player catch the ball and just put the ball down. If you can tackle the ATTACKING player in the air then it was never a penalty and Hull KR should have won.

I'll admit i aint got a clue whether you can or can't. Anybody actually know this 100%

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Quote: Cronus "You could argue Hohaia might have tripped. That's not the point. Remove Fox from the equation and Hodgson scores. Simple as that.'"


Look closely at Hodgson putting the ball down. He's in touch but that wouldn't have happened hadn't Fox tackled him BUT didn't he fail to ground the ball correctly. That could have happened with or without fox.

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Quote: Easty "Morgan,Brown & Matterson all said they believe you can tackle the attacking player in the air.'"


Matterson is a clueless buffoon, Brown was coaching in the NRL where you COULD tackle the attacking player in the air and Morgan well he was trying to find an excuse. In the NRL you could/can tackle the attacker in the air, in SL you've never been able to.

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Quote: Easty "Morgan,Brown & Matterson all said they believe you can tackle the attacking player in the air. Thats 3 SL coaches that believe that interpretation of the rule. As Matterson said what are you meant to do let the Attacking player catch the ball and just put the ball down. If you can tackle the ATTACKING player in the air then it was never a penalty and Hull KR should have won.

I'll admit i aint got a clue whether you can or can't. Anybody actually know this 100%'"

You definitely CAN'T tackle a player in the air. This has been the rule for donkey's yearsMid-air tackle 1. (b) It is illegal to tackle an opposing player attempting to field a kick whilst the player is in mid-air. The catcher must have returned to the ground before being tackled. (See Section 15.).[/size'"

Section 15 refers to Player Misconduct.

Quote: Easty "Look closely at Hodgson putting the ball down. He's in touch but that wouldn't have happened hadn't Fox tackled him BUT didn't he fail to ground the ball correctly. That could have happened with or without fox.'"

He grounds the ball incorrectly precisely BECAUSE Fox is shoving him into touch; he rushes it in an attempt to ground it before finding touch. The overwhelming odds dictate that without interference, Hodgson would have grounded the ball cleanly. He was travelling over the try line with the ball in his possession. There is NO reason whatsoever to presume otherwise.

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Quote: Gaslight "Matterson is a clueless buffoon, Brown was coaching in the NRL where you COULD tackle the attacking player in the air and Morgan well he was trying to find an excuse. In the NRL you could/can tackle the attacker in the air, in SL you've never been able to.'"


Should we not all be playing by the same rules especially so we know where we all stand for internationals. Either you can or you can't. Can you imagine football having seperate rules for domestic competitions in different countries, FIFA would go ape.

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Quote: Easty "Should we not all be playing by the same rules especially so we know where we all stand for internationals. Either you can or you can't. Can you imagine football having seperate rules for domestic competitions in different countries, FIFA would go ape.'"


Aussies have a load of different rules most are pretty inane but the 10 subs (same as international) is one of the better ones along with the people who pack a scrum down to stop the clock have to stay formed, and football does have seperate rules, for example the MLS has extra time for league games.

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