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Quote: Finfin "Knights or Tigers.'"


i will hold you to that, i think souths or the storm.

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Quote: dubairl "i will hold you to that, i think souths or the storm.'"


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Henry Paul is as good as any Ive seen over a prolonged period in SL. Surprised he hasnt been mentioned.

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Henry at his peak was the best at Bradford. I think i would pick him or Cunningham.

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I agree the points system is both ridiculous and contrived and can only be used as a rough guide to success rather than ability. There is however an obvious correlation, inasmuch as the better players tend to be poached by the bigger and more successful teams.

I think if the question is 'who is or has been the best superleague player?' then you have to also factor in consistency over the period of superleague. Once you do this it's hard to see past Keiron Cunningham, but there are many others who would get admirable mentions.

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[b:33tg3xj5]Me:[/b:33tg3xj5] I'm still reeling from the news that someone is considering watching the 1st and 3rd game on Saturday and NOT watching Warrington play. It's like being in Shea Stadium when the Beatles came to town and deciding to nip out for a fag. [b:33tg3xj5]knockersbumpMKII:[/b:33tg3xj5] Is it FOOK, you're good but you're not THAT good, jesus you wanky fans need to get over yourselves, Beatles at the Shea in '65 was a once in a lifetime opportunity for some (despite the following years performance), you can watch a very good team in primrose & yellow play every week if you really wanted to but comparing it to one of the very best music groups of all time in an iconic stadia such as the shea is overegging your importance, you're not even the best team in SL atm:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50086.jpg



After Sam? Hard to say. Probably Keiron Cunningham. For my team (Wire) its been Briers by a country mile.

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Quote: Chief Stinkwort "I agree the points system is both ridiculous and contrived and can only be used as a rough guide to success rather than ability. There is however an obvious correlation, inasmuch as the better players tend to be poached by the bigger and more successful teams.

I think if the question is 'who is or has been the best superleague player?' then you have to also factor in consistency over the period of superleague. Once you do this it's hard to see past Keiron Cunningham, but there are many others who would get admirable mentions.'"



How is the points system contrived? Care to come up with a better one? Whatever type of points system you use to determine success you would probably come up with the same top 4. The points system was purely to show success of players and was not an indicator of who is the best player. As previously stated success can be measured in one way or another but a persons view on who is the best player is completely subjective.

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Quote: jarvis12345 "How is the points system contrived? Care to come up with a better one? Whatever type of points system you use to determine success you would probably come up with the same top 4. The points system was purely to show success of players and was not an indicator of who is the best player. As previously stated success can be measured in one way or another but a persons view on who is the best player is completely subjective.'"


No, I wouldn't care to come up with a better system. I don't think I could contrive it any better than you or the original designer of the system.

Just as a couple of examples though:
I could contrive to boost Kevin Sinfield's score and add extra points for captaining winning teams.
I could add points for international call-ups and captaincy (surely a measure of success) as a contrivance to boost JPs score.

Perhaps if the thread had a different title some of this confusion may have been avoided. Maybe something along the lines of 'How do you measure success?' ...otherwise the points system is just a spectacular red herring.

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Quote: Bulls4Champs "Henry Paul is as good as any Ive seen over a prolonged period in SL. Surprised he hasnt been mentioned.'"

An absolute gem of a player - pity his league career was cut short.

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Farrell/Sculthorpe/Lyon/Cunningham

Paul Deacon's record also speaks for itself.

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Henry Paul.

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Quote: Chief Stinkwort "No, I wouldn't care to come up with a better system. I don't think I could contrive it any better than you or the original designer of the system.

Just as a couple of examples though

You still havnt given a reason why you think the points system is contrived. But adding points for international caps would be a good idea as it is a measure of success.

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Lots of confusion between 'Best' and 'Most Successful'.

Without adding any filters of minimum umber of games played etc etc., then its

Best : Johns
Most Successful: Without doing the maths, probably Sinfield

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Quote: jarvis12345 "You still havnt given a reason why you think the points system is contrived. But adding points for international caps would be a good idea as it is a measure of success.'"

Actually in general, I think you'll find I have. You'll also find I illustrated the point with 2 examples.
Others have picked out areas much more specific to this table in particular.

Possibly there is a subtle difference in our understanding of the word. Would it help if I said the points system is hopelessly flawed, inasmuch as it is too easy to skew the formula in favour of your own. Why not for example recognise Saints players' achievement in not just winning the GF 4 times, but in getting so close to it so many times
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In any case you appear to have omitted the category 'MBE', which is worth approximately 15 billion points

The top 5 players based on this are:

Jamie Peacock - Approximately 15,000,000,175 pts with 1MBE, 7GF, 2CC, 3WCC, 7DT, 4LL, 1MOS, 34IC
Kieron Cunningham 171 pts with 4GF, 7CC, 2WCC, 6DT, 6LL, 23IC
Paul Wellens 163 pts with 4GF, 5CC, 5LL, 2WCC, 1MOS, 3LT, 3DT, 1HS, 22IC
Leon Pryce 158pys with 4GF, 6CC, 3WCC, 6LL, 3WCC, 1HS, 1LT, 1DT, 23IC
Sean Long 156 pts with 4GF, 5CC, 5LL, 2WCC, 2DT, 1MOS, 3LT, 21IC

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