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| Now youv'e gone and upset the other Hetherington.
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| Quote ="j.c"Now youv'e gone and upset the other Hetherington.'"
If they deserve their spot, surely they would go up after one season?
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| Quote ="Saddened!"A lot of debate this time of year as ever about franchises and which team will be shafted to allow another similarly useless organisation into the setup. Would it not be a better idea to kick all the useless clubs out until they are ready? The only good enough teams next year will be:
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Hull
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Bradford
8 is plenty, we can add more when there is a cause to. Salford, Quins, Crusaders, Wakefield, Cas, Widnes and Hull KR are not really 'Super' enough.
14 games a season plus Challenge Cup and 3 x International Origin and play offs is fine. The teams would be far, far stronger. IMO crowds would rocket as every game would be close and there would be fewer games. Limiting supply would focus demand IMO. The NFL teams play 16 games a season for example.
It would help with player fitness and conditioning. It's a win-win for me. Sky deal could be spread more thickly and maybe the cap could rise slightly. International Origin could be given it's own weekends and big build ups and represent a genuine step up for the elite players, rather than a laugh at an exhibition with their mates as it bordered on this year.
Maybe 8 teams is a bit too far, but reducing it is the way to go IMO. The current league has 5 or 6 perennial strugglers, who struggle in every aspect of the game from financial, to attendances to youth development. The playing talent is spread too thinly and the competition hasn't developed like they planned when SL was introduced. Changing Widnes for Wakefield or Salford won't do a thing IMO.'"
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A 14 game SL now that's financially viable, mate you're a simpleton 
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| Quote ="vastman"SUPERSONIC YAWN
Wish people like you would go away and leave the game to those who love and understand it - have you not done enough damage with you're halfbaked ideas already.
A 14 game SL now that's financially viable, mate you're a simpleton
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Why should a club like Wakefield get a slice of the pie though? What do they bring to the competition?
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| Quote ="vastman"SUPERSONIC YAWN
Wish people like you would go away and leave the game to those who love and understand it - have you not done enough damage with you're halfbaked ideas already.
A 14 game SL now that's financially viable, mate you're a simpleton
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[url=http://www.loverugbyleague.com/blogpost_385-if-i-won-euromillons--and-ran-the-rfl---.htmlWhat about this idea mate?[/url
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| Quote ="Starbug"Fine , so they play each other twice and one MM weekend giving a 15 game season , [uand they all get 2.2 million from SKY[/u , as the games would all be closer and clubs would have more British players the attendances at them would increase and everything would be tickety boo
Better prep for the International games and probably bigger crowds at the Challenge cup matches as well
I'd go for it , its a winner
SUPER DUPER league'"
You think SKY would be content to invest the same amount of money in the game when they're getting only half the matches? Do me a favour!
And each club would have 7 home games a season. Club chairmen already complain about not utilising their grounds enough with the current set up.
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| Quote ="Wheels"icon_biggrin.gif
If they deserve their spot, surely they would go up after one season?'"
This is true,but what a stink there would be.
I can just imagine the hetheringtons on the phone to lenighan...Ian,Ian have you seen what they've done,we cant have this,its time we took back control of the game from the RFL.
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| Quote ="Cecil B"You think SKY would be content to invest the same amount of money in the game when they're getting only half the matches? Do me a favour!
And each club would have 7 home games a season. Club chairmen already complain about not utilising their grounds enough with the current set up.'"
Nothing stopping them having Rihanna concerts to make up the difference. People need to wake up. Rugby League is a fantastic sport, but there are still too many flat cappers knocking about who want the old status quos to be preserved. Move with the times and improve the competition. If we stumble on blindly like we are it'll just keep getting pushed to the back and end up like handball or british basketball.
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| Quote ="Cecil B"You think SKY would be content to invest the same amount of money in the game when they're getting only half the matches? Do me a favour!
And each club would have 7 home games a season. Club chairmen already complain about not utilising their grounds enough with the current set up.'"
Woah there cowboy , I was just explaining the OP s plan , not my opinion , just what he was proposing
I'm fairly sure the club chairmen would happily take an extra million guaranteed than have to play more games , Well those that were in this Super Duper League 
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| 10 team SL with Promo/Relegation
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| Quote ="DropGoalGiant"10 team SL with Promo/Relegation
Wigan
Warrington
Leeds
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Huddersfield
Hull FC
Hull KR
Castleford
Catalan'"
Swap Bradford for London and I'd go with that (with the structure I proposed).
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14 teams, promotion and relegation.
Even if my side got relegated by finishing last (like we didn't in 2006), I'd love that idea.
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| Quote ="Towns88"I've got an idea.
14 teams, promotion and relegation.
Even if my side got relegated by finishing last (like we didn't in 2006), I'd love that idea.'"
Looking back franchising has helped us a lot whether we like it or not. We were a yo-yo club but the franchise system allowed us to bring through young players without the risk of being relegated and where are we now? 6 points off the top of the table and despite some awful results we're in the mix. I'd stick with the way it is, although I'll never understand what the Quins and Crusaders bring to the league, but that's a different story.
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| Quote ="DropGoalGiant"10 team SL with Promo/Relegation
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Warrington
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Huddersfield
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Castleford
Catalan'"
We could all get biased to our own teams and say swap Widnes for Huddersfield.Keep as 14 clubs as it gives other teams a chance to build. 
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| Quote ="vastman"SUPERSONIC YAWN
Wish people like you would go away and leave the game to those who love and understand it - have you not done enough damage with you're halfbaked ideas already.
A 14 game SL now that's financially viable, mate you're a simpleton
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
The whole idea at the start of this topic has had me sat shaking my head in disbelief at such a blinkered, pathetic view.
Nobody in this country would take an 8 team league seriously... it's hard enough with 14 trying to convince people to take it seriously as most are used to seeing 20+ teams in a league as in football.
8 teams... no thank you... 14... just right. Leave it alone... it doesn't need changing again.
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| Quote ="LoyalFan"Couldn't have said it better myself.
The whole idea at the start of this topic has had me sat shaking my head in disbelief at such a blinkered, pathetic view.
Nobody in this country would take an 8 team league seriously... it's hard enough with 14 trying to convince people to take it seriously as most are used to seeing 20+ teams in a league as in football.
8 teams... no thank you... 14... just right. Leave it alone... it doesn't need changing again.'"
Yes but most other competitions like football have a bigger league underneath them . we have smaller competitions holding up the biggest , our pyramid is upside down
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| Quote ="LoyalFan"Couldn't have said it better myself.
The whole idea at the start of this topic has had me sat shaking my head in disbelief at such a blinkered, pathetic view.
Nobody in this country would take an 8 team league seriously... it's hard enough with 14 trying to convince people to take it seriously as most are used to seeing 20+ teams in a league as in football.
8 teams... no thank you... 14... just right. Leave it alone... it doesn't need changing again.'"
I think I missed the obvious - let's have a 2 team Premiership Man U and Chelsea with guest appearances from Liverpool, City, Arsenal and Spurs because no one else stands a chance of winning and bring bog all to the game.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Why should a club like Wakefield get a slice of the pie though? What do they bring to the competition?'"
Because they won promotion.
Have never been bottom.
Have an average gate of 6,000.
Produce championship winning Academy teams.
Produced more SL players than most including three of our best in Brough, Ellis and Westwood.
Have a new ant ambitious BOD with the money to back them up.
Have a first class heritage.
Play RL in the only city in the UK without a Football team.
Are 4 month away from a potential new stadium.
Against - the stadium issue which I accept but you have happily included a club with similar issues.
I mean it always used to be enough to warrant a place, your team managed it for the first 10 years in SL but hey now your there you kick the ladder away in true SL style. Would you like me to make you look any sillier?
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| Quote ="LoyalFan"Couldn't have said it better myself.
The whole idea at the start of this topic has had me sat shaking my head in disbelief at such a blinkered, pathetic view.
Nobody in this country would take an 8 team league seriously... it's hard enough with 14 trying to convince people to take it seriously as most are used to seeing 20+ teams in a league as in football.
8 teams... no thank you... 14... just right. Leave it alone... it doesn't need changing again.'"
It's not about numbers particularly its about the quality of the matches and the standard of the clubs. At the moment we embarass the sport by having clubs like Wakefield, Quins and Crusaders as they bring nothing but empty stands and poor performances.
A lot of those on here who don't want a reduction will no doubt have been those trying to say Super League wasn't a good idea and that summer rugby wouldn't catch on. We need to put club loyalty aside for the sake of the sport and focus on improving the competition. Super League is at an alltime low currently and there is only one way that can go as the cap can't go up because millions are spent propping up the five or six rubbish clubs I want left out. Give the sky money to the proper clubs and let them provide a quality competition.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"It's not about numbers particularly its about the quality of the matches and the standard of the clubs. At the moment we embarass the sport by having clubs like Wakefield, Quins and Crusaders as they bring nothing but empty stands and poor performances.
A lot of those on here who don't want a reduction will no doubt have been those trying to say Super League wasn't a good idea and that summer rugby wouldn't catch on. We need to put club loyalty aside for the sake of the sport and focus on improving the competition. Super League is at an alltime low currently and there is only one way that can go as the cap can't go up because millions are spent propping up the five or six rubbish clubs I want left out. Give the sky money to the proper clubs and let them provide a quality competition.'"
Wakefield have won six games including beating Hull, I can only assume there was no quality in any of that - you're an idiot and the reason so few real fans bother with the VT.
People like you spouting the rubbish you do has ruined a game I loved, a game based on who won how many games, the only way any sport should be based on IMO.I really wish you'd take your elitist poison elsewhere.
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| Quote ="vastman"I really wish you'd take your elitist poison elsewhere.'"
Nothing stopping Wakefield have the time of their lives in a promotion based first past the post system in the Non-Super League is there?
You talk about RL being ruined? It was headed for the scrapheap and fast before Sky got involved.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Nothing stopping Wakefield have the time of their lives in a promotion based first past the post system in the Non-Super League is there?
You talk about RL being ruined? It was headed for the scrapheap and fast before Sky got involved.'"
I have no problem with that if P&R existed and we finished bottom - but that's not what you're on about is it. You just want to jettison clubs who currently don't meat your expectations. Not so long ago this would have included Warrington and Hudds but you're not bright enough to see that.
So what happens in the Super 8's when say Bradford and Hull for instance continually finish bottom, does it become a Super 6!
What loons like you don't get is that there has to be a bottom set of clubs like there is in the NRL. The only difference is that the teams change position more often but as the loss of P&R really kicks in that will change. Get a grip.
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| Quote ="vastman"I have no problem with that if P&R existed and we finished bottom - but that's not what you're on about is it. You just want to jettison clubs who currently don't meat your expectations. Not so long ago this would have included Warrington and Hudds but you're not bright enough to see that.
So what happens in the Super 8's when say Bradford and Hull for instance continually finish bottom, does it become a Super 6!
What loons like you don't get is that there has to be a bottom set of clubs like there is in the NRL. The only difference is that the teams change position more often but as the loss of P&R really kicks in that will change. Get a grip.'"
We don't have enough quality players to sustain so many teams. It leads to watered down competition and it is a vicious circle as the few elite players are not tested in a high intensity environment week in week out.
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