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| Quote ="Willzay"Ward in for Ferres - happy with Ferres being out, but Ward? Really?'"
Surely not? Isn't he just back from an ACL tear after a year about and played about half a game against a championship side?
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| Quote ="Willzay"Ward in for Ferres - happy with Ferres being out, but Ward? Really?'"
Ward is probably only in Ferres place because he was named in the initial squad for god only knows why.
The other question is who else is there to bring in who isn't already on holiday ?
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| I wonder if Wayne gave Gaz Ellis a call. Let's be honest though, Ward will only play against France and possibly Scotland, barring injuries. It'll be a good experience for him. The other contenders would probably have been Jack Hughes and Mike McMeeken, but apart from that, not many realistic options.
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| Wards a player people expect to go on and have a long England career. He's probably not quite ready at the moment due to his lack of games after injury but he's unlikely to play in the main games.
I feel a bit for Jack Hughes who's had a good season but long term Wards the better bet to get a decent number of caps.
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| Quote ="richardviking"His performances - notably his butter fingers - visibly suffered when trying to carry the weight of the burden that was a pathetic South Sydney team this year.
Is it damaging to our sport that a code-hopper, who has not played for this side since 2013 - can waltz back in on his return to the sport and captain the team?'"
No. He's a top player. Next.
Is it damaging to the sport that widnes exist?
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"No. He's a top player. Next.
Is it damaging to the sport that widnes exist?'"
Their pitch is damaging to players knees!
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| Wayne clearly expects Stevie Ward to be playing for England in the World Cup next year. While he spent a lot of 2016 out injured he has been fully fit for a while now.
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| New coach, same old mistakes. He made a big play about picking form players. Then replaces Ferres with Ward who has played 4 games. Sack him now and replace him with someone still in possession of his marbles. He is too long in the tooth.
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| I'm not Wayne Bennett's biggest fan, but to suggest that he's an old fool who doesn't know what he's doing is ridiculous.
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| Quote ="moto748"I'm not Wayne Bennett's biggest fan, but to suggest that he's an old fool who doesn't know what he's doing is ridiculous.'"
What's more ridiculous is that on their first post their first contribution is to suggest Bennett should be sacked! I don't like his squad selection but really.
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| He's giving game time to players who are a bit rusty. Durghh.
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| Same old balls, Cas have got not one but 2 better choices in that position. ridiculous
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| Quote ="Cas Till I Die"Same old balls, Cas have got not one but 2 better choices in that position. ridiculous'"
Who??
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"Who??'"
I reckon Mike McMeeken is one of them. Very promising back row, probably a different sort of Stevie Ward, but then probably more of a like for like replacement for Ferres than Ward.
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| Mckmeekan and oggy holmes have both been better and I'd argue are better than Stevie Ward
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| Isn't Holmes Scottish though?
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| Quote ="Cas Till I Die"Mckmeekan and oggy holmes have both been better and I'd argue are better than Stevie Ward'"
And Wayne Bennett would argue he has several hundred NRL games experience and a number of titles as a coach and that he knows a thing or two about RL players.
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| Picking Stevie Ward at this moment in time is like England Football picking Jack Wilshere.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"And Wayne Bennett would argue he has several hundred NRL games experience and a number of titles as a coach and that he knows a thing or two about RL players.'"
And I'd argue Wayne Bennett is a human being before an NRL coach and like any human being he makes mistakes.
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Yes, I'm sure selecting 'oggy' holmes and mcmeekan would have been the key to England success. I remember when tony smith 'picked on form' and we had f*cking paul sykes in the team.
It's ridiculous to come on here sometimes and read people rubbishing the entire team just because the odd the player was left out who has been in good form. (which is sometimes a player for their club).
Stevie Ward looked an oustanding prospect last season before his injury didn't have enough games to show his form this season but will almost certainly have a future within the setup, was in the training squad and played the same position as ferres. It doesn't follow strict protocol on picking in form but it made sense.
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Yes, I'm sure selecting 'oggy' holmes and mcmeekan would have been the key to England success. I remember when tony smith 'picked on form' and we had f*cking paul sykes in the team.
It's ridiculous to come on here sometimes and read people rubbishing the entire team just because the odd the player was left out who has been in good form. (which is sometimes a player for their club).
Stevie Ward looked an oustanding prospect last season before his injury didn't have enough games to show his form this season but will almost certainly have a future within the setup, was in the training squad and played the same position as ferres. It doesn't follow strict protocol on picking in form but it made sense.'"
Where have I said oggy deserves to be in the England's team ??? He belongs in the squad (and the recognition) over a player who has hardly played all year and from what I have seen is better than Stevie Ward.
If you don't jump to conclusions it will stop you writing 2 paragraphs of irrelevant cr@p 
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Yes, I'm sure selecting 'oggy' holmes and mcmeekan would have been the key to England success. I remember when tony smith 'picked on form' and we had f*cking paul sykes in the team.
It's ridiculous to come on here sometimes and read people rubbishing the entire team just because the odd the player was left out who has been in good form. (which is sometimes a player for their club).
Stevie Ward looked an oustanding prospect last season before his injury didn't have enough games to show his form this season but will almost certainly have a future within the setup, was in the training squad and played the same position as ferres. It doesn't follow strict protocol on picking in form but it made sense.'"
Fully agree.
This myth that you can pick an international team on form is just that. How far back do we go for this 'form'? A month, two, three months? A season? The last game played?
I'm a Wigan fan yet it really frustrates me when people question players like Ryan Halls place in the side or even Brett Ferres before his injury. They've played consistently well for England for a few seasons now and even though they've come off the back of a bad season at Leeds, they have enough credit in the bank to warrent a place.
I get that Stevie Ward doesn't fall in to that category of Hall or Ferres either but with injuries to O'Loughlin, Currie and Ferres we're left without a raft of options. Nobody jumps off the page at you really and whoever it was that got selected is unlikely to have a major role to play in the Four Nations unless somebody else gets injured (and probably two players).
I think they've taken a bit more of along term view tbh. In Ward they have a player who has massive potential and he should go on to be a far better player then the other options mentioned (McMeekan, Holmes, Hughes, Greenwood etc). The lad had been very highly thought of throughout all age groups given a full year with Leeds next year I think they expect him to force his way in to the World Cup squad on merit. It's a positive then that he can have a quick taste of it now.
I sound like a Leeds fan here so I'm off for a lie down 
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| Stevie Ward has not only been an outstanding prospect throughout all age groups, he has been an outstanding player for the Leeds team, he is a player who, by the age of 22, has been a key player in a side which won a grand final in 2012, a challenge cup in 2014, a treble in 2015.
In 2015, Stevie Ward made 927 tackles, missing 62. in 2016 'Oggy' Holmes made 431 and missed 67. In 2015 Stevie Ward made 66 tackle busts, 2016 Holmes made 11. In 2015 Ward made 1880 metres, 2016 Holmes made 1167. In 2015 Ward made 11 clean breaks, in 2016 Holmes made 3. In 2015 Ward made 27 offloads, In 2016 Holmes made 5.
Stevie Ward is a very good player with outstanding potential. Holmes isnt very good.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Fully agree.
This myth that you can pick an international team on form is just that. How far back do we go for this 'form'? A month, two, three months? A season? The last game played?
I'm a Wigan fan yet it really frustrates me when people question players like Ryan Halls place in the side or even Brett Ferres before his injury. They've played consistently well for England for a few seasons now and even though they've come off the back of a bad season at Leeds, they have enough credit in the bank to warrent a place.
I get that Stevie Ward doesn't fall in to that category of Hall or Ferres either but with injuries to O'Loughlin, Currie and Ferres we're left without a raft of options. Nobody jumps off the page at you really and whoever it was that got selected is unlikely to have a major role to play in the Four Nations unless somebody else gets injured (and probably two players).
I think they've taken a bit more of along term view tbh. In Ward they have a player who has massive potential and he should go on to be a far better player then the other options mentioned (McMeekan, Holmes, Hughes, Greenwood etc). The lad had been very highly thought of throughout all age groups given a full year with Leeds next year I think they expect him to force his way in to the World Cup squad on merit. It's a positive then that he can have a quick taste of it now.
I sound like a Leeds fan here so I'm off for a lie down
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Spot on, it's just this smaller club chip on the shoulder thing. "They always pick Leeds and Wigan players".....well yes they do because those teams play in the big games consistantly which is surely taken into account if you're then expected to go play in the international arena. Stevie Ward has already played in a GF, playoff semis, a CC final and semi finals, a WCC. He was arguably one of our best 3 players in a treble winning season and put in one of the finest performances of last year by any player in a single game in the LLS clinching game vs Hudds before he got injured at the end.
McMeeken and Holmes with all due respect don't have that CV and won't if they stay at Cas.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Spot on, it's just this smaller club chip on the shoulder thing. "They always pick Leeds and Wigan players".....well yes they do because those teams play in the big games consistantly which is surely taken into account if you're then expected to go play in the international arena. Stevie Ward has already played in a GF, playoff semis, a CC final and semi finals, a WCC. He was arguably one of our best 3 players in a treble winning season and put in one of the finest performances of last year by any player in a single game in the LLS clinching game vs Hudds before he got injured at the end.
McMeeken and Holmes with all due respect don't have that CV and won't if they stay at Cas.'"
If we perpetuate the myth that the only way to get recognition is to sign for the 'big clubs' then there will only ever be the 'big clubs' experiencing success. It's a vicious circle. That's the issue.
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