You can't break Starbug. He just keeps on getting up again. He's like the baddies in the Terminator films. (By which I mean 1 & 2, the last 2 aren't included on account of being total guff)

That is what i thought you were saying. Im just not sure why you kept on saying it.

If you dont know why I was saying it , why were you saying it , sounds like you're losing your marbles mate

i was saying it because it was my opinion. You then told me twice that it was also your opinion and that the game between leigh and sheffield was a good game. Something i had never commented on.

now that's just being CHILDish !

We've got him this week. FFS !!!!

I'd like to add 2 things:

1) We have never won a competitve game in which he has reffed (the Salford friendly is the only exception)
2) We have got him on Sunday!

This was also your opinion



Which suggestes that sometimes refs can let things go when they shouldn't , even in poor games , but the ref at leigh didn't let anything go , he didn't have to both sides were well disciplined and one side played some excellent RL

So we can have good games and bad games well refereed and badly refereed , which is nothing new or insightful , just common sense

so this is now the third time you are telling me you agree, is the a reason behind the repetition?

I think it comes back to this idea of "common sense" refereeing. James clearly knows the book inside out (surprised if he can turn its sticky pages anymore) but doesn't exercise any kind of "spirit of the game" into his refereeing.

Yes, offences need to be punished. Especially things like headshots, spears/throws, professional fouls, backchat, blatant holding down (and holding the tackler down, SAM TOMKINS!

) and persistent offsides to name but a few. But in a game like RL where there are a fair number of technical offences that can be committed, give warnings to players the first time around perhaps (you hear referees such as Ganson shouting out, "You're offside, Ryan!" or "11, you're not square!" for example). Minor offences, if not persistent, can be let go without a penalty sometimes, even if "by the book" it is a penalty.

As for ruck speed, which seems to be the main issue with Child at the moment, he first needs to talk to... every other referee. And Dean Widders rightly pointed out that referees should be visiting clubs in training to run through new (and old) protocols so that the players know what to expect too. Hang on - I thought they were meant to have done that over the off-season? Not according to Widders

Anyway, in the Wakey vs Cas game I didn't think any of the holding down penalties were really penalties.

He is waiting for you to turn this thread into a cut and paste-athon so everybody gets board and eventually leaves the thread?

Tradition is tradition.

when do you think im cutting and pasting?

James child is an aweful referee it has to be said but at least he's generally as incompetant for both teams and not biased like some refs.

When you divide qoutes up to a ridiculous amount, usually so you can qoute something completley out of context so you can argue against a point no one was making or avoid answering a question that doesnt suit your argument.

If you use another method of doing these things all the time, my mistake.

Yes, it, as normal, is your mistake.

He catches your team out then and that makes you unhappy!!!

You want a set of match officials who ignore everything your team does wrong so they will never be penalised.

I can run with that, as can all followers of each team.

In fact the players and coaches are so wonderful, and "all the match officials are rubbish", why not just get rid.

The games will flow really well then.

SERIOUSLY!!!

Hard line to draw isn't it. Pedantry vs spectacle.

Wait a minute, don't refs who underperform get dropped division to help them buck up their ideas??

Did I not say that James Childs is a wonderful ref - in fact, the best there is

When did westerman make his debut again

Wrost ref in SL. He is just like Jamie Leahy. No common sense and follows the rule book to the letter. His performance at MM was bad but still doesn't come close to the worst display by a ref
Jamie Leahy
Hudds V Cas in 2006.
Anyone got a copy of it? How to lose control of a game by being inept, and then tip players over the edge by taking a team back 20 meters instead of 10, and sin bin them when they point out you are a fool.

Salford 22 St helens 56

Bulls 10 Wigan 44

Workington 82 Gateshead 0

Applies to these as well this inept stuff?

In the case of Salford you are getting confused with the term crap, or I would have also accepted :
This seasons dark horse? Only if's a dark horse on it's way to the glue factory!

in the year cas finished bottom wasnt it? According to the Cas fan on that threads logic he must be the worst player in the world.

Its not a you to have point go wooshing over your head is it? Oh............

It seemed that you either didn't understand or didn't want to understand the point being made

A Leigh fan ( not me ) commented on a good performance by the refferee at the LSV , he commented on a display he witnessed , you passed comment on a display you hadn't witnessed ( unless you did attend the match against Sheffield )

So who's comment should we believe , the person who witnessed it , or the person who didn't ?

It doesn't bother me either way , I don't call any refs , as I said earlier , a very difficult job considering the amount of cheating that goes on at all games