Where was the halfback?

Right where he should have been. Just had to defend against 2 men because of a second rower who kept on going missing

I hate to agree with Jean/Lebron/whoever but he's correct, as bad as Welsby & Watkins were they were not helped by Bateman not holding his position in the defensive line, I understand his desire to come inside and help out but you've got to be more disciplined, hold your line and trust the lads inside to do their job.
That said, Welsby really needs to look at himself for his lack of effort in and after the tackle for that second try. Very ordinary.

It was even more important for Bateman to defence support when Welsby picked up that hand injury around the 69th minute were he struggled a bit to catch and pass. Wane should have noted the requirement for that edge, but what did he do……bring McLlorum back on to 9 in the middle.

Welsby had his scan last week and avoided a fracture to the hand. I agree about Welsby ball watching at marker for that second Samoa try, pretty poor that.

Its a good job no other player gave a interception pass,dropped the ball from a kick,missed a tackle,gave a forward pass,knocked on etc etc.

Its a team game not a blame game,stop looking for faults we all saw some mistakes from different players from different teams not just the one.
Its so boring and tedious now,we lost,move on and look forward to a new season and hopefully more internationals.

Nah mate, I can accept mistakes from players, but IMO poor defensive discipline from one of your experienced players and poor effort play from any player deserves calling out.
They're still both top quality players but if England want to compete at the top level those are the areas they need to tidy up.

I'm a Wigan fan by the way.

Thats good to know,but they were not the only ones make a mistake,and I am not defending them just pointing out facts.

That's what I'm saying though, those weren't mistakes, its poor play from 2 of our top players, yes there were issues across the team but these are identifiable individual plays that should be picked out and worked on. The Samoans clearly targeted our right edge, probably picking out Watkins lack of pace, he needed support out there and at times he didn't get it.

Just to show what I mean about mistakes, Bateman does make a mistake in Samoa's 2nd try, he's in the tackle and when he gets back to the line he picks the wrong side of the ruck to defend. I can forgive that because he's in the correct channel and he's made the effort to get back into the line, he also might have got a call to come inside. Its a mistake, which is fair enough.
Him leaving his channel to defend up the middle because he's a frustrated loose forward and one of our star players standing watching a try happen with his hands on his hips making zero effort to get back to help is IMO unacceptable at the top level.

I dont know what to say to that ! bad play by Bateman cost us the game maybe that is what you want to read.
Have a look now at other players to see if they have made bad plays in that game.I wont as I see mistakes and bad plays were made by players and not just the one trying to be made into a scapegoat for the loss.It doesnt really matter as we lost and no amount of blame will change that.

You can say what you want mate!
I saw another thread turning into a p#ssing contest between Wigan and Saints fans and thought to balance it out I'd offer what I thought was valid criticism of a player from either side.
I don't think either player cost us the game, we had issues all over the pitch, lack of impact in the forwards and lack of patience and composure in the backs.

Overall our spine was jobby.

Cheers,I agree that you have given a balanced view and not just singled out a Wigan player as some do with your issues all over the pitch comment which is both valid and honest.
Which is my point .

Everyone on here has their club bias, there's only a few who let it completely cloud their judgement.
There were some "sad" posters on here who were blaming Wigan before a ball was kicked, its best to ignore them.

I do think that he and the team screwed up against Samoa, they lost their whole play and never recovered, I think the team were better than they played against Samoa, they just got caught short on the day, like every team can.