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Quote: Donnyman "Far from the best post it was nothing but a "wish list"..........

The goals were fair enough but absolutely nothing in terms of how we get there, except we need a "cunning plan"..........

Such a call for a "plan" immediately intimates the wealthy and experienced businessmen who own the clubs, people who have done well in business, commerce and Industry....
.........and their staff at the clubs especially marketing, are all useless.

They are not.'"

Sorry - didn’t realise it was dezzies job to come up with a detailed action plan.
As you rightly say they’re goals to aim for. My point was that they’re not just “fair enough”, they’re absolutely spot on and precisely what the game should be aiming for. How we get there is beyond my pay grade but I do know that rebranding, parachuting teams in from god knows where and mergers aren’t the answer.

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Quote: Kevs Head "Sorry - didn’t realise it was dezzies job to come up with a detailed action plan.
As you rightly say they’re goals to aim for. My point was that they’re not just “fair enough”, they’re absolutely spot on and precisely what the game should be aiming for. How we get there is beyond my pay grade but I d

Agreed

Putting say, Newcastle and London into SL isn't going to make any difference, either to the "quality" of the product or to increase viewer numbers on Sky and assuming that we keep SL at 12 or if we go to 10 clubs (as per Richardson's suggestion), there will be 2 or 4 clubs, who are currently in SL, that are kicked out, alienating yet more fans from a sport that can ill afford to lose any/

The real issue is that ANY sport or organisation, should have a plan for the future and RL hasn't got anything and whilst the pandemic has put lots of businesses into survival mode, our problems go back to well before the pandemic was upon us.

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Since the inception of the salary cap, only 4 teams have won SL, one of which has since gone bust, which ironically, the cap was supposed to prevent. In that time. Players earn even less than they did in 1996 which is an absolute joke. Anyone who think the cap is working support Wakefield or Salford

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Quote: Poky "Since the inception of the salary cap, only 4 teams have won SL, one of which has since gone bust, which ironically, the cap was supposed to prevent. In that time. Players earn even less than they did in 1996 which is an absolute joke. Anyone who think the cap is working support Wakefield or Salford'"


Exactly it's failed to make the competition stronger and the salaries for a professional sport are too low.

The NRL will continue to try and take the young talent before they have even played SL or just a few games and why wouldn't a youngster go when the salary they'll can earn in this country even at its highest will be much lower than the potential earnings in Australia.

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Quote: Poky "Since the inception of the salary cap, only 4 teams have won SL, one of which has since gone bust, which ironically, the cap was supposed to prevent. In that time. Players earn even less than they did in 1996 which is an absolute joke. Anyone who think the cap is working support Wakefield or Salford'"

Take it back another 10 years when there wasn't a cap and only 1 more club can be added to the winning list, fans of clubs are getting peed off with the same clubs winning that's the start of the decline for me, your club has still win the odd few when they don't bottle it, so what you whinging at

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Quote: wrencat1873 "

The individual chairmen of each club are not useless or, they wouldn't be sitting in the big chairs at their respective clubs.
However, it's pretty clear that self interest for themselves and their respective clubs, is not taking the game forward and hasn't done for the last few years.

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It's not at all clear self interest is the problem. The problem is Covid isn't it?

You can't go on about the game "not going forward" at a time when there's a pandemic almost destroying it.

The last TV deal was a monster one and the RFL spent it all on a league system that was just nuts, these chairmen have been working on pushing the RFL to one side and clearing up the massive mess the RFL made of the game.

Six SL chairman wanted to ensure Superleague continued at a high level, admittedly some chairmen broke ranks because they were skint including Wakefield. Just saying it's all a mess because of self interest is wrong. The RFL created the mess and Covid compounded it.

Yet your saying Lenegan, Pearson. McManus, Moran, Davey and Hudgell were interested in nothing but their own clubs? It's not true at all. It was the RFL that introduced the stupid league system and blew a massive amount of TV money in doing so.

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Quote: Donnyman "It's not at all clear self interest is the problem. The problem is Covid isn't it?

You can't go on about the game "not going forward" at a time when there's a pandemic almost destroying it.

The last TV deal was a monster one and the RFL spent it all on a league system that was just nuts, these chairmen have been working on pushing the RFL to one side and clearing up the massive mess the RFL made of the game.

Six SL chairman wanted to ensure Superleague continued at a high level, admittedly some chairmen broke ranks because they were skint including Wakefield. Just saying it's all a mess because of self interest is wrong. The RFL created the mess and Covid compounded it.

Yet your saying Lenegan, Pearson. McManus, Moran, Davey and Hudgell were interested in nothing but their own clubs? It's not true at all. It was the RFL that introduced the stupid league system and blew a massive amount of TV money in doing so.'"


How can you state ,in the 4th paragraph, that the RFL created the mess,when only in the 3rd paragraph you suggest it was a 'monster' tv deal: it was the RFL that negotiated the tv deal?

Your mate Lenagan then sailed to the rescue.The cost being,salary for Elstone,costs for Private Equity initiative, and the lowest attendance for Wigan Warriors.

Keep on keepin' on....Mind blowin'!

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Quote: Poky "Since the inception of the salary cap, only 4 teams have won SL, one of which has since gone bust, which ironically, the cap was supposed to prevent. In that time. Players earn even less than they did in 1996 which is an absolute joke. Anyone who think the cap is working support Wakefield or Salford'"

Spot on every other business football, cricket, union, tennis figures now dwarf what they paid in 1996

Ours is pretty much the same!

If it don't grow you go backwards and that's what's happened

The main reason the hearns didn't get involved was the salary cap can't make money if is limited

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Quote: ball-in-hand "1.14 team superleague . Each team plays each other home and away
2. All games to kick off at 3pm on Sunday unless selected for TV
3.Scrap magic weekend then there is room for a meaningful mid season international which could be at Newcastle.
4. All teams to have an academy.
5. Salary cap strictly enforced no exceptions
6. Limit overseas players to 4 per team
7. Two up and two down at end of season
8. Top 8 play off as per NRL'"

As much as i would like to see a 14 team Super League that won't happen until we have a better TV deal
I do like the idea all all non televised games kicking off at 3.pm on a Sunday
I like the idea of a maximum of 4 overseas players that will make certain clubs get serious about developing British talent.
All Super League clubs must have academies and those in the championship who aspire to play in Super League as well
I would only have 1 up and down with P & R and a 8 team play off with no 2nd chances.

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Quote: Huddersfield1895 "

I like the idea of a maximum of 4 overseas players that will make certain clubs get serious about developing British talent.

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Like who? All the SL clubs scrape the barrel of local "talent" to the point where hundreds of kids who will never make the grade are signed up to fill out teams for the small number who can make the grade... Before being rejected in their hundreds......

Remove several overseas players per club who have "made the grade" of the NRL and play lads who currently can't cut it in Superleague only weakens the competition.

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Quote: Poky "Since the inception of the salary cap, only 4 teams have won SL, one of which has since gone bust, which ironically, the cap was supposed to prevent. In that time. Players earn even less than they did in 1996 which is an absolute joke. Anyone who think the cap is working support Wakefield or Salford'"


You was doing so well, came across with a good point about the salary cap.

Then blew it with the childish swipe at Salford and Wakey.

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Quote: RoyBoy29 "You was doing so well, came across with a good point about the salary cap.

Then blew it with the childish swipe at Salford and Wakey.'"


My bad. I forgot to add Leigh to the group of clubs that have benefited from the cap

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Happy for the cap to be scrapped, it makes little difference to Trinity either way other than stopping bigger clubs spending their way into trouble and having to sell their ground, or disappearing altogether.

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Quote: Donnyman "Like who? All the SL clubs scrape the barrel of local "talent" to the point where hundreds of kids who will never make the grade are signed up to fill out teams for the small number who can make the grade... Before being rejected in their hundreds......

Remove several overseas players per club who have "made the grade" of the NRL and play lads who currently can't cut it in Superleague only weakens the competition.'"


This. The idea that clubs choose to get foreign players when they have perfectly good homegrown players is ridiculous.

The reality is there isn't enough homegrown players that make the grade and clubs need to sign foreign players. Reduce the amount of foreign players and the game will become a lot worse.

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Quote: Khlav Kalash "Happy for the cap to be scrapped, it makes little difference to Trinity either way other than stopping bigger clubs spending their way into trouble and having to sell their ground, or disappearing altogether.'"



.......Disappearing altogether leaving the way clear for trinity to dominate, you're playing 4D chess eusa_clap.gif

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