I was thinking in terms of run-of-the-mill supporters rather than corporate. I referred to decrepit grounds merely because your results & Cas's have actually been more than respectable recently so I'd assumed - maybe wrongly - that the grounds were a factor in limiting crowds. I'm in agreement with both yourself & Bramley on your take on the clubs' responsibilities and while the RFL could probably do more it would take the inevitable kicking were it perceived to be marketing one club more favourably than a near neighbour.

I've said before that I don't think the RFL should market clubs - it should market the game and the competition in an identifiable, consistent way, and provide clubs with the material and training to jump on the back of that and do their own marketing in consistently branded way; a bit like they did with the Extraordinary Rugby campaign, which I maintain was good and played to the strengths of the sport - the freakishly tough athletes who play it. They could also do more in terms of supporting individual players to become celebrities - and exploit the high profile supporters of the game - including many football players and pundits who operate on their own bloody broadcast partner.

Local marketing is very much a club responsibility - and whilst some clubs are obviously good at it, some are just dreadful; a bit of central funding for the purpose, together with a professional network to share successes and upskill those lower achieving clubs, would work wonders. But it needs some coordination from the centre - which seems unlikely.

I don't really get this numbers thing, it's not about numbers it's about maximisation of what you have. Wakefield and Csa will never match Leeds for crowds because one is a huge city, one is a town pretending it's a city and the other is a suburb of that city. Despite this both clubs do ok, Cas average arounf 8k Wakefield 6k. I honestly don't see how Cas could get many more if their stadium were made of gold. Wakefield could maybe get up to 8k with them but what you have to remember is that Wakefield the city as opposed to WMDC are two seperate entities. The population ofthe city is quiet small, the MDC is large but vey diverse and has no affinity to the city in a sporting sence.

Where we do lose out due to our crao stadiums is on corporate and general usage, on that one you are correct. It is here where we could drasitcally improve oure income sources and it is here where we are being held back.

Once you take juniors, concessions and costs from ticket purchases then if your lucky an extra 2k supporters may net you an extra 25k a game (approx 300k P/A). Not to be sniffed at but corporate lounges, boxes and all year round events if done well could give you a P/A income of double that, maybe more. Added to this I think it's a lot easier to attract corporate money than it is to attract new or lost fans, that can only really happen with sustained success on the pitch which is a real catch 22. So imo it's the lack of corporate/commercial facilites rather than fans through the turnstiles that is really killing us.

Just a quick look around the SL club websites and Twitter shows they is not enough donr in promoting the first game.

I just hope that the down turn in spectator numbers is arrested, and attendances increase. Sell outs are going to be difficult to achieve.

I still think that Catalans' heightened prestige following the Challenge Cup win, plus the addition of Samuel Tomkins to the team roster, is going to strengthen Castleford's attendance for the opening match -- so much so that the wobbly old stadium will be bursting at the seams.

Spot on

Agree with most of that. Even though our corporate area is pretty decent considering the ground it's in, a bigger, better-speced hospitality would do wonders & would probably earn the club more than say a couple hundred extra fans. But I also think even in Belle Vue getting our average up to 6500/7000 is very possible and would make a difference not only to match days but the knock-on effect to merchandise and even things like Trinity TV would be a huge boost to the amount we can spend on players etc.
The point about the population, yes your right in one respect WMD is what about 340k which isn't full of people with an affinity to the City, therefore a potential fan. But if you still take away places such as Castleford, Pontefract N and S, South Elmsall, South Kikby, Ackworth, Upton, Featherstone, Hemsworth, and a few others, we're still left with just under 200k people which is a bigger potential fan base than some people think IMO.
There's a helpful website below that enables you to untick areas that you want in the Wakefield MD to give population numbers
rlhttps://www.wakefieldjsna.co.uk/resident-population/rl.

St Helens has half the population of Wakefield but nearly twice the average attendance

Could you please tell the masses what the respective populations are and perhaps provide a link to the source of your information.

I believe that St Helens actually has around 50% more than Wakefield.
It would be terible for all concerned if you have included the people of Castleford and Featherstone in your information

Bit dismissive. Though I was on the losing side as a Wire I acknowledge the Cats win as a great achievement and they have done some excellent marketing on the back of it, including setting up the game at Camp Nou.

i wanted Catalan to win and glad they did, (no offense to Warrington) but it made more national news than previous recent CC. it was good for the game, and it ed of heart lander types especially Wakey fans who are just the worse when it comes to slating Catalans and expansion of any kind.

You seem to be an authoritarian when it comes to all things Wakey, not surprising really with all the sheite you keep talking about them, maybe there's nothing worth talking about at the whinos