I don't think going down will help in the same way HKR seemed to rally. Despite the title " Let's all laugh at Widnes" there's a fair and reasoned debate on the Warrington board worth a read.

I'm really worried for RL in Widnes hope you turn it around.......eventually (75 still hurts ha ha)

I've only ever been to Widnes for games V us, which is obviously their biggest fixture. The last couple of times I've found the crowd to look a bit lower than normal and atmosphere to be non existent. If that's how it is for their biggest local derby, what's it like for the other games? Sorry to say it because I like local fixtures and I don't hate them in the slightest despite their apparent pathological hatred of us, but I think Widnes are finished as a Super League club now. They aren't coming back.

SL will probably have to go its own way to attain the potential it thinks it has.As for Widnes,they're not a happy club are they and unlike Wakefield and Salford they dont have a multitude of lives they can lose before they crash and burn

I think the main issue is, people are turning up expecting to lose... up until 18 months ago, there was a certain feeling that we was capable of beating anyone, and at home we where pretty consistent.

People like success and at £24 a pop (on match days) it’s a pretty
Expensive hobby when your watching drivel. I’ve not missed a home game all year, and I can’t remember the last time I left feeling satisfied with what I watched. I do feel like the main issue is playing staff (due to lack of funds) and if we could somehow resolve that’s issue I do think we can be competitive again

As a fellow Viking I feel your pain. What happens to us is a matter for another time but, in terms of the future of RL I would say the sport must look after all of its family and, to do this, realise that;
1. Franchising works if you are the right side of the fence but is a slow death (if you're old enough you will remember the years) if you are not.
2. The current structure is tremendous for the game in terms of publicity and excitement (give me the middle eights every time over the tedium of the super eights) but it encourages the perpetual problem in the game, that is clubs running themselves into the ground in search of the holy grail.
3. The real cause of all of the worry for any team in the lower divisions, or heading there, is not the prospect of playing against the 'lesser' clubs (from our years there the trips are better, the banters better and you tend to win more) but the prospect of the RFL clowns pulling up the drawbridge while your down there and removing all hope of getting back up.

So my hope would be that we remove the need for Championship sides to be better than at least one SL side in order to get into the promised land and return it to how it should be. That is, the best team in the Championship deserves to go up and the bottom team in SL deserves to go down, but we need to avoid the yo-yo of an unprepared side coming up, buying all the failed players from the team coming down and repeating the cycle. I would throw in that the Championship needs to grow a pair and recognise that, while it's the club that practically no-one wants to be in, it does have some power and should use it or forever sit in the shade. So, if I had my way;

1. Keep the league structure the same, but return to one up one down promotion/relegation, with the team promoted from the Championship given £500,000 more than the other SL sides. This will provide them with funding for the upgrade in infrastructure they would need plus some real heft when it came to tempting quality players from other clubs rather than relying on the cast-offs as currently happens. They should also get a one year exemption from relegation to establish themselves. After that they're on their own. The RFL should guarantee that this structure will be in place for a minimum of ten years so that Chammpionship sides can get used to the fact they don't have to throw money they haven't got at poop or bust attempts to get promotion.

2. The Championship should form its own body (akin to SLE) to fight its corner. This body should insist on its TV rights being sold separately from those of SL, as currently happens, or even sell the rights themselves. For those who say "who would buy rights to second tier RL", I can tell you that when Championship RL was previously televised on SKY it was shown on one of the minor channels but regularly attracted up a quarter to a third of the viewers of SL on the main channel. If the RFL and SL refuse to go along with that they could take some peaceful but meaningful action. I would start with boycotting the Challenge Cup (its not like a Championship side likely to win it).

LOL isnt that every clubs problem

I’d agree which is where I believe a licensed league is the way forward to enable clubs like Widnes to plan long term instead of annual scrap for survival.

I’d go with an 18 team licensed SL. The current 12 plus Toronto, Toulouse, Newcastle, York, Bradford, London, and a rebranded Salford as Manchester.

Newcastle, York, Manchester and London to be given special status and either centrally run or given extra central support. These clubs would be the focus of the game to help grow and there would be direct plan to assist them. Any RFL events in these cities would be directly aimed to help boost those clubs support such as Magic Weekend in Newcastle, Cup Final in London, taking an England game to Manchester etc.

Play each team in the league once and every team from your half of the table the previous season a second time, plus Magic Weekend gives 26 games a season. Top 8 playoff.

Put clubs into the Challenge Cup earlier and move it to earlier in the season. Move Magic Weekend to a bank holiday weekend.

Have a few themed rounds such as heritage, armed forces, women’s, family, mental health etc but do it properly instead of just paying lip service to it.

All clubs to be given on and off-field targets that they are judged against every 5 years. One of those targets/measures of performance would be the assistance they give to their partnered lower-league club. If it’s not deemed good enough then another SL can become that clubs partner.

Significantly more stringent rules/targets on player production and local area participation in the sport.
Lower overseas quota and higher homegrown player rules. A low homegrown quota to begin with for clubs like Toronto, Toulouse etc but they must set in place clear structures for the future and agree to a steadily increasing homegrown player quota over time.

Salary cap increased slightly to £2m but a 25% of income rule established. So clubs have to be making £8m a year minimum to be able to spend the full cap, excluding loans. If a club owner wants to spend money on players they can do, but they can’t hamstring the club with directors loans in that fashion. A minimum spend on club infrastructure/marketing etc to be part of a clubs agreed targets/KPI’s.
Salary cap dispensations for marquee players and players from other sports.

A mid-season international home nations plus France comp to be played every season at the same time of year without fail.

All club season tickets to become “RL Season Tickets”. Slightly increased price but gives you access to all your chosen clubs home games plus Magic Weekend, Cup Semi Finals and Final and any home internationals. Those last few would be first come first served.

Time we all started pulling in the same direction in my opinion.

An 18 team league with the current 12 plus 7 others. Great.

A rebranded Salford are part of the existing 12!

Any future plan for Super League must find a mechanism to admit New York and other north American and French teams if their bids (business plans) are deemed credible.

An M62 first policy, with no room for more north American and French clubs, guarantees the demise of rugby league in the northern hemisphere.

A 14 team SL.

Bottom relegated, top of the championship promoted.
2nd bottom, enters into a play off with 2,3,4,5,6 of the championship. 3 v 6, 4v5. Then 2 and sl 2 v the winners.

Magic weekend got rid of, as now just a money making tool instead of what it was it's original purpose.

Challenge cup moved to either end of may or June.
The season to start at the end of Feb. And for friendlies all SL side to play a lower league side away with a semi strong side.
Any side in SL or wishing to join it MUST HAVE a reserve side.
Thursday night games got rid of. TV games Fri night and Sunday night.
A return to most games played either on a sat or Sun.

Any Franchise must start at the bottom and work there way up.

Why don't the French and American teams form their own league? Saves the British teams from dicking about flying all over the place.

Super League

Wigan
Saints
Warrington
Cumbria
Leeds
Hudds
Cas
Wakefield
Nottingham/Manchester
Liverpool
York
Newcastle
Hull Fc
Hull KR

The expansionists league

Catalans
Toulouse
Avingon
Limoux
Toronto
Montreal
London
New York

]




No Hull teams then ?

Forgot them, in now.