I don't have a problem with the comment, I have a problem with the fact that tax is being used for someone to be on social media at all.

Because its part of modern society, and a society they have to Police. The best way to be able to communicate with people is to use all available platforms to be able to do so, I'd question it if they weren't on twitter.

I disagree, you don't catch criminals on twitter.

but hey, standards are low.

What, even if it helps to prevent and even solve crimes? (which it quite obviously could)

Get over yourself, I'm pretty sure they won't have employed someone just to make 2-3 twitter posts a day.

Utter garbage. You have proof of all this do you? People need to get a grip and move on.

Sorry to be patronising, but just think about how it may be useful for a Police force to reach as many people in the community as possible, or do think we should go back to the local bobby on a push bike.

What any of this has to do with Flower punching a player defencless on the floor is anyones guess though.

Ha ha ha now that's an hysterical over reaction.

He showed flower off the ball and got knocked out for it.

Get a grip pal you're a moderator.

The best bit about this is the justification of Wigan fans trying to claim its somehow Hohaia's fault. We all agree on the second punch that is was a disgrace.

Let's get this straight, he looks at Flower and turns around to start running back. Flower runs up and clobbers him.

I have posted the picture earlier in this thread and here's the shot before where Flower lifts his arm and draws it back before moving it into Hohaia's head:



There is no need for his arm to be there, never mind to make contact with Hohaia's head. He clobbers him, knocking Hohaia in front of him and pushes him to the floor to carry on running.

Let's get this straight:
* Could Flower have carried on running his line? Yes, he was stood at the side of him.
* Has Flower any need to lift his arm to that height or angle? No, he could have carried on running past Hohaia.
* If Flower doesn't make contact, Hohaia doesn't come running in and the resulting punches don't take place.

For me:
* Flower should have a charge for striking Hohaia in back play
* Hohaia should be charged for retaliating and striking with the forearm but will probably get off with EGP.
* Flower should be up for that second punch.

Yes.

Said last night for me it was two yellows and a red. Yellow for the shot by flower to the head. Yellow for lance to retaliate. Red for the finish him blow.

wtf has it to do with you anyway, fortunately for the UK you've gone to Aus.

My opinion is an opinion, the Police have no place commenting on sports events, unless they are intending to take action.

Point 1 - he does look at Flower but Flower has time to run around him given he's started running and Hohaia hasn't. Hohaia turns and is facing the opposite way so any form of striking is totally unexpected. There is CATEGORICALLY no need for Flower to even lift his arm outwards? Explain why there is a need to stick your arm out at a 90 degree angle away from your body.

If someone is in your way you push them in the back and Hohaia is sent sprawling forwards - not sidewards. You seem to be under the misguided interpretation that, like headhunter, that I'm claiming Flower comes in like a tank. He does clobber him with contact to the head. It's unnecessary and is a penalty offence. I wonder if your reaction had been the same if say, LMS had come in and smacked Matty Smith in the back of the head.

Hohaia retaliates. If it was a simple push, as you claim, why did Hohaia retaliate? You have yet to explain or justify the arm angle or Hohaia's reaction.

As for your last comment, yes - because that's what I said. It seems you're going to any lengths to twist comments or try and make out like I am defending Hohaia.

Let's get this perfectly straight: I have no allegiances, I wasn't rooting for anyone and I'm not anti-Wigan. I'm saying what I saw (and others too by the looks of it) - Flower starts it unnecessarily, Hohaia retaliates, Flower ends it disgracefully.

What the feck has zac hardaker got to do with any of this, why even mention it, as for the comment "he clearly appeared to a simpler thing" we know he didn't hence no charges were made.

This insident is not even comparable. It was a sickening attack and I don't think people are exaggerating when they are saying it's the worst thing they have ever seen on an RL field, the last thing I saw this bad was Paul Moriarty, smashing Hugh Waddell's jaw in 89-90. Probably les Boyd before that.

Life ban would be exesive and would probably be restraint of trade, but as I have said earlier 10-12 games minumen. Certainly more than Cassidy got for the flying elbow on Morley.

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First time I have seen this, totally awful.

Me too, I've been coached by some old school coaches and we all get told to go out and smash em hurt em let you know your out there and their in a battle, but that's something else, deliberately telling his players to cross the line.

Greater Manchester Police to consult with RFL, Saints and Crown Prosecution Service to decide whether to take action against Flower.

Saints and Hohaia might not take it further but CPS or RFL could make this very difficult for Flower. He deserves it too.

Good to see Wigan's statement today, finally an acknowledgement of the severity of his actions and its implications for the sport.

Flower shouldn't have to run round him, he has every right to maintain his line when Hohaia decides to move into his path. And I have never said it was a "simple push", he knocks Hohaia out the way with an arm and carries on. Yes, it was aggressive and with someone as powerful as Flower it probably made quite an impact - but it wasn't a punch or an attack to the head as some in the wailing masses are claiming, it was a swinging arm over the shoulder.

Aggressive, a penalty if spotted by the officials, but not something we haven't seen plenty of times before.

Hohaia simply didn't like it. He's always been a niggler and got a bit more than he bargained for. Anyone who thinks he simply turned to chase the kick doesn't understand the intricacies of RL - he watched Flower and deliberately moved to block him, turning his back to try and make it appear innocent. He then spat his dummy after being knocked down and chose to retaliate with a chase and forearm to the head. Unfortunately for him he chose the wrong man. Twice.

But yet again let me state clearly, the final punch is what takes this beyond a bit of 'biff'. It was unacceptable and inexcusable and deserves a strong punishment.

It seems we may have reached an impasse. I believe Flower can maintain his line easily without touching Hohaia as my picture several pages back shows him running at the side of him. But a swinging arm "over his shoulder" is a swinging arm to the head, seeing as the head is above the shoulder.

Fwiw I live in the UK (not sure what difference that makes anyway)

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion just as I'm perfectly entitled to counter that opinion. The police were more commenting on how violence can get you put in the nick and using a popular trending subject to illustrate this, im really struggling to understand why you think this is a negative thing.

Edited as I made s comment which I thinks unfair

I will quote this, as it might stop the idiots claiming you are defending Flower, he deserves whatever is coming. I disagree with Cronus regularly, but on this, he has said nothing but sense.

abuse, AUP, do I need say more?

Location: NSW, or do you lie in that as well?

So which part of Hohia's body was he intending to connect with if it was a swinging arm over the shoulder?

Its a penalty offence wether the officials spot it or not

I fear that future SL attendances and Sky viewing figures could be affected if Ben Flower is ever allowed to play in the family oriented Super League again.

That's how serious it is.

Wigan fans are trying to convince us that Hohaia taking a step to the left is a good enough reason, and also more severe, than Flower clobbering a swinging arm to the back of his head?
My respect for Wigan and their fans was already low, it is now non existent.

I tthought this was a joke on first viewing.