we dont need one. our normal matchday revenues cover our running costs. its a couple of specific bills which are due in april which are causing the problem. once they are paid there isnt a problem going forward.

That's if you believe the HOODwinker.

All the best Bradford and hope everything works out but perhaps a bit of foood for thought here... www.sheffieldeagles.com/index.ph ... Itemid=490

All the best Bradford and hope everything works out but perhaps a bit of foood for thought here... www.sheffieldeagles.com/index.ph ... Itemid=490

In best Liberal Democrat tradition, I might just pledge £100k myself, just to keep the Bullies spirits up.....

We learned the hard way that one day it's your turn.

No-one expects outsiders to support what we are trying to do, and therefore the support from those who DO offer support is more appreciated than maybe they realise.

As for those whose response to our current plight is instead derision and mockery, all I can say is that maybe, one day, it'll be your turn. Sometimes, again.

,gullible or what?

As I recall there were plenty of Bull's fans ready to make glib and insulting comments to those in trouble in the past and some of those still post on these forums.

Have they really learned the hard way?

Really?

I would strongly suggest you are no where near the level of desperation some fans were in for [itheir[/i club, but I suppose that might be yet to come.

I genuinely wish your true supporters good luck but I'd be lying if I didn't feel a sense of karma for those who have been pontificating gobes in the past; and I'd be willing to bet they will be at it again when the next club has problems.

It's a crappy feeling, a crappy position to be in but at least your pledge seems to be getting some support so maybe some good will come of it after all. It's been outstanding the way your past players have all rallied round.

Was there really any need for some that? Given what I actually said? I can fully understand people having that attitude, as I thought my post indicted, and that is what makes the considerable support we have received all the more surprising and appreciated. But all I was asking for was for those who think its funny, and a good opportunity to put the mocking boot in while we are really down, to consider that one day they might find themselves in the same position.

My post was specifically in response to the likes of BillyRhino, whose own club were within an ace of going out of business in 1996 but who now thinks its clever to respond with derision and mockery. I offered no comment regarding, or excuses for, anything any Bulls fans may have said in the past.

The really pleasing thing is that, on these forums at least, his unpleasant attitude seems typical of the minority not the majority.

Not having a pop here, I assure you, but I would have thought your "normal matchday revenues " would be fairly low as your supporters have already paid for the season via the cheap ST.

Furthermore, what happens when the next 'specific bill' comes in, that isn't covered by your alleged break-even position from matchday revenues?

It looks like a very precarious way to do business.

BillyRhino + hide posts =

Sadly he betrays the ignorance and arrogance of too many Leeds fans.

We've already had our turn very few of the so called "rugby league family" give a flying one. This despite several years of cutting our cloth to suite. Maybe you can call it bitterness, but it's bitterness born out of a sense of injustice.

Clearly I was a fool to donate money to your "sponsor a player" cause at the time, or offer help to those setting up your supporters trust.

I'm not having a dig at you personally. It's the difference in the general attitude of the so called "rugby league family" to both situations that gets me!

Not even close mate. Sounds like far too much paperwork.

And your evidence for this is?
FWIW, the announcer at the Rhinos home game made a point of wishing Bradford well in their quest for survival, and encouraged Leeds fans to go in numbers, to support both the team and Bradford's fundraising efforts..an announcement which was greeted with applause around the ground.

Sadly posts like yours do not help to gain the respect and support Bradford needs from the wider RL community.

I believe the "Rugby league family" is a thing of the past, like big crowds at internationals and changes at the top table.

I've seen them every week for the past 25 years.

You'd bring a tear to a glass eye Adey



I have followed your pompous wind baggery on the Bulls Forum with much amusement. From your previous slavish acceptance and promotion of the Bulls management official line,....your subsequent public and very full full apology for such an erroneous point of view,..... through your almost daily changes of opinion on who is to blame since your financial crisis became public. And now your quivering bottom lip is pointed in my direction!

Your heart's in the right place Adey, but it's time to face up to reality my chubby friend, and accept that whilst Bradford Bulls will certainly continue, it may be in a lower division for a couple of seasons.

And no, I wont s if that happens, although perhaps, if I moved to Keighley I might change my point of view.....

That apology is withdrawn, as I have since discovered that I was not lied to, and that therefore no apology was required. I made the mistake of jumping to a hasty conclusion - just like the likes of you did.

At least I will apologise if I am wrong. I would never expect the likes of you to. Especially if to admit you were wrong would run contrary to the version of events you would like to convince yourselves of.

People who delight in the misfortune of others are pretty poor examples of humanity, in my opinion. Fortunately, most Leeds fans I know are not in that category.

Yeah, but your view must have been pretty well obscured by those massive chips on your shoulders.

FFS Adey, when the news of the sale of the lease broke you were telling us that your 'sources' at the Club were assuring you that it wasn't cos The Bulls were in financial trouble but to merely see off predatory approaches to take over Odsal. Well that was truthful wasn't it? And, yet, you're still ready to accept the guff coming out of the Club as gospel? Unfortunately, you and the rest of the gullible souls out there are quite likely to be shortly getting a rude awakening.

Self serving Drivel and utter crap too boot!

Since ESL began, there has been rumour after unfounded accusation of hand outs being received by the London Club with never a shred of evidence. In 2005 your CEO tried to get us kicked out of the comp when there were no rules to allow the RFL to do so.
2012 and so far you've had a back handed bail out from the RFL under the ruse of saving your pit of a ground and now you've got the begging bowl out again 7 weeks later...

I symapthise with the fans, but not your BOD, CEO or anyone who attempts to apologise for their ineptitude and bad management.

I knew the club was in financial trouble. Patently obvious from the accounts, from seeing the RFL take a charge in January 2011, from the rumours leaking out of Red Hall, from the sale of Andy Lynch and from a host of other tell-tale signs.

As far as I could see, the club was facing the prospect of the only solution being purchase by someone like Parkin (I presume the "predators" that the RFL - not the club - referred to). Someone who seemed to be more interested in getting the Odsal site, and in using the Bulls to reduce the operating costs of real-target Bradford City. The outlook for the Bulls in such circumstances seemed to me poor. Very limited money made available, and death by a thousand cuts.

The RFL's purchase of the lease seemed to stymie that as the "only" option, protecting Odsal and at the same time providing immediate funds to stabilise the financial position and allow the club to settle the image rights tax and ride out the recession until the economic climate improved.

One day the role of the council in all this will maybe become more clear. I think most of us realised that they had no real appetite for any kind of development at Odsal, however it was funded and by whom.

It was obvious that the club had been advanced monies by the RFL - the 1/11 charge was evidence of that. The club never acknowledged that, same way as other clubs that received advances on monies from the RFL have never done so. No surprises there. The terms of the advances almost certainly precluded their being made public anyway.

I expected there would be some monies to pay back - Q4 is always very lean cash-wise, so it was a no-brainer. I was shocked when I learned the amount, since that showed the club was in far worse financial straits than even cautious me had realised. Don't forget, I've been ploughing a lonely furrow for years about the Bulls' dire financial position, in the face of so many fans assuring me it must not be so!

The club did not actually lie - the sale itself was not a bail-out. The bail-out had already happened with the advances (which, as I have said, were larger than I ever imagined). Disingenuous, maybe - and yes, by me as much as by the club - but reflecting commercial necessity, I think.

The sale seemed to be - and as far as I can see, remains - a win-win. The RFL received a strategic asset at what can only have been a distressed sale price - I did keep trying to suggest that it was likely to be a good deal for the RFL, but kept getting shot down - and the club was saved from Valley Parade and IMO eventual oblivion, or more immediate oblivion if they tried to stay put at Odsal.

Did the club lie to me? I cannot see that they did. Were they disingenuous? Without a doubt. Did I realise they were being disingenuous? Those who know me will attest to that. Was I shocked how bad the financial position really was, and therefore at the degree to which they had been disingenuous, albeit through necessity? Absolutely. Are there still unanswered questions about all this? Most definitely, and I listed a load out for reference for a meeting we have with the board in the next day or two. Do I think this Pledge business is the best way for everyone to solve the problem? Of course not; but in the time frame I have concluded it looks to be the ONLY way.

BUT...do I think that allowing the club to go into administration, seeing the back of the present 3-man board and the crazy shareholding stasis that is one underlying cause of the problems, would be a better outcome than trying to plug the current funding gap now and holding the inquest afterwards when matters are less pressing? In the absence of even the slightest hint of a prepack waiting in the wings, and given the massive risks of too many assets being lost for good in a protracted administration - no, I do not.

And that, my friends, is why I have formed the view that I have.