Im not going to bother. You are either a troll or an idiot. Either way, its not my job to enlighten you, a simple google search would have set you straight.

Fylde_Warrior, your insistence to dismiss Super League as second rate isn't doing your argument any favors and it's time you moved on from banging that drum. If the competition is so second rate then how come Alfie Langer got chosen to play for Queensland whilst playing in Super League? He was a good player in a second rate (your words - certainly not mine) competition was he?

Andrew Johns was a load of rubbish when he played in Super League



We've already established in this thread that great players can be on the losing side like Cameron Smith was in the second state of origin match last year. Your 'Kevin Sinfield can't be given the golden boot because he plays in super league' argument has too many holes in it.

Jamie Lyon was fantastic in Super League but in the NRL he's done better. Surely no one can recover from the mediocrity that is Super League and then go on to be awarded the Dally M Centre of the Year in both 2010 and 2011?

If Kevin Sinfield played in the NRL then I've no doubt that he'd won more recognition for his talent by now. One of the main points of your arguments is that Kevin Sinfield hasn't and didn't play in the NRL so your building this fantasy where Kevin Sinfield can't be recognized as the best player in the world because of where he plays his rugby. Whilst Kevin Sinfield hasn't played in the NRL, we can make a good guest of how he'd fair out there with other English players who've made a go of it in the NRL and still we'd be in your fantasy world where individuals only perform world class at one end of the globe but not the other



Lets get back to the world club challenge. A relative of mine bumped into some very dejected Manly Sea Eagles players at a Leeds city bar after last years world club challenge and it wasn't having to come over to England they weren't happy about either. Some Australian journalist might want to mock the WCC but it's a very real contest with money to be won and I don't think you'll find any newspaper articles anywhere with players mocking this contest. It's only people like you and journalist with an agenda - well if League Publications have are allowed to have an agenda then surely other journalist are allowed this same right as well?

I've got more arguments up my sleeve but I'd like to see your response to these first!

If Sinfield performed in the NRL during the regular season like he does in SL during the regular season, he'd be dropped from the squad and put on a flight back to dear old blighty!

Damo, SL is a second rate competition. Second rate does not mean fans cannot enjoy it. Far from it. Players can actually gain from playing in a second rate SL for a season or two because they have the time/room to develop different skills and/or allow their bodies to recover from the harder grounds and extra physical damage resulting from more intense sporting contests. Players can benefit as a person by broadening their experience of life and travel to become more rounded individuals.

However, a coach or player that stays in a second rate inferior competition stagnates and declines after 3 seasons here maximum. Change in British RL / SL lags behind the NRL so we are literally waiting for the next NRL playing development to try to immitate.

Ironically, the Australians actually once copied British RL. Typically British RL talks about the great attacking prowess of our legendary 58-62 teams BUT the key to our superiority was very often how defensive techniques. The way we strangled and stifled othert nations defensively. Most people from Britain of your age and younger Damo cannot comprehend or imagine a time when British RL were the defensive masters, the leader in the dark arts of RL. The teacher! not the student of RL.

My argument standfs true and you mistakenly reinforced it Damo. Joey, Alfie were developed by Australian coaching and came here to stroll majestically through our game even at the end of his career for Alfie. Likewise Lyon was already special before he came to Britain.

Our best players walked the walk and went to the NRL where they learned far more. Ellery, Schoey won the GB after doing it in the NRL first. Later Faz and KS were given the award undeservedly. You see therein lies the difference between an objective fan like myself. I supportand watched Faz all his career in RL. Fantastic player, Wigan legend but never the best player in the world. Leeds fans seem to struggle dealing with the idea that you can think KS is a fantastic player, a legend BUT not the best player in the world.

You need to understand sportsmen / women. Nobody takes to the pitch and wants to lose. Every player hates losing. However, if you had asked those Manly players how important the WCC was to them you would have got an answer far less than several other contests on their calendar. You will get some who are PC until the last time they pull on a boots.

So sorry Damo, any British RL player who confines himself to SL cannot claim to be the worlds best player UNTIL SL is the best or as near damn it the best competition in the world. Sadly, British RL / SL is some way from achieving that and recent changing circumstances may make it even less likely.

Kevin Sinfield is a quality player who is more than capable of winning a game all on his own with his kicking which is up there with the best in the World. He is also a superb leader who clearly has the respect of his team mates.

It's pointless trying to compare Super League to the NRL though as there really is only one winner. We can win as many World Club Challenge games as we want, but the NRL is still the toughest league.

This is a fantasy example. Who knows how Kevin Sinfield would fare in the NRL?

Can you come up with any Sinfield-esque players who starred in the team that finished fifth in the NRL last year?

You are a total idiot (in my opinion at least) Sinfield would walk into any NRL side & would be the captain to boot. The NRL is not the be all & end all it just has more cash & a bigger pool of players. If SL was as bad as you think why are Aussie agents scouring the teams for players to sign? Sinfield may be quiet happy to stay at his club & value his life in the UK enough to stay here.

Beverley, decent player that he is, I am pretty confident he would not walk into any NRL side and and I am absolutely positive he would not walk into any side and Captain it.

Sinfield is superior to most NRL players as he is Super League players. As is anybody in, or talked about as serious contenders for the England squad, they would go there and be stars.

Probably not the best, but in the top 10-20% of players.

The best English players are among the best players in the world. Burgess, Ellis, Morley et al all prove it.

I realise you are on a gee up.
Not all teams are looking for a player like Sinfield for their team or would want a 32 year old utility player.

Pretty sure he would not take over Captaincy from many of the current Club Captains.

Just the concept that a player that is unfamiliar with the NRL and comes from another very different league would be made the leader and Captain is pretty unlikely in the real world.

I wish Kevin had tried his hand in the NRL when he was younger and in his prime, he would have done ok as a Hooker, not in the Halves.

I doubt it Damo, I doubt it!

I didn’t say Sinfield would go to every team, it would be a pretty pointless argument anyway.

Why would the Warriors or Manly or Souths or Bronco’s sign Billy Slater?

I said Sinfield was superior to most NRL players, he is. He is better than most halves and loose forwards in the NRL. As Tomkins would be among the best fullbacks, he wouldn’t go to the Warriors, Manly, Souths, Broncos or Storm because they have superior fullbacks, he would be an improvement on the rest. James Roby probably wouldn’t be wanted by Canterbury, Storm or Wests, he would be an improvement for everyone else.

The best of the NRL is, in most cases, but not all, better than our best. The rest of the NRL are inferior to our best.