quite clearly you do.....

and im sure when the RFL hand out the punishment set down for the offence Leeds and Hull may be found guilty of, and it totals £150, we will see the bitching and whining we have already seen from you repeated.

Because you cant understand a quite clear distinction that the RFL, and numerous people have spelled out in baby terms for you.

you are either a complete idiot or wilfully misunderstanding to try and defend the indefensible. Either way, everyone bar some Cas fans and those with an agenda against the RFL saw your nonsense quite early on. And everybody will happily go about their business, the RFL have made a fantastic statement against homophobia, we have received some great press and you can carry on moaning about nonexistant injustices. Enjoy

Resorting to insults already smokey? always a clear sign you know your wrong (and as always petrified to admit it).

I have not bitched or moaned about anything, all i have done i state what the rfls respect policy says and say that they should enforce it fairly and justly (which any decent rl fan without an agenda should want) and just because it doesnt fit in with your usual petty castleford hating agenda you've started acting like a petulant child (not for the first time). You on the other hand have decided to present part of the respect policy, whilst ignoring other parts as it suits your argument more. In a similar way to you deciding which offences commited under the respect policy should and shouldnt be punished, completley ignoring the fact that the respect policy CLEARLY states NO FORM of discrimination will be tolerated. i wont childishly claim that you cant understand it (as you would do) for i know your just choosing to ignore it as you have a a pathetic agenda.

I havent stated that the rfl were wrong to act either (so where you get the idea i'm defending anything is a mystery, well its not really you just made it up along with the majority of your post), i have questioned the severity of the punishment (like many others from nearly all clubs,who according to you must have an anti rfl agenda if they dont agree with you, the idea that someone should not share your opinion seems to result you trying to smear and steroetype people, as usual) as it is far greater than much worse offences that have happened in the past such as players being assualted by fans.

Would you like to claim i have said anything else i havent or are you done? Maybe a few more childish insults to let everyone know that you realised your wrong and afraid to admit it? or perhaps your usual trick of repeating the same nonesense over and over again till everyone gets bored?

Are they going to investigate everytime a RL crowd sings and abusive song of any nature? Geez I hope they've got a big team of staff on this!

No , they will quickly realise that they have over reacted and made a rod for their own back and quietly let it slip below the radar

Much the same as they did with , the Quins admin , the W1g$n Salary cap and the Celtic Visa mess

Hopefully in future they will actually get somebody with a modicum of common sense to check out what they are going to do and all the possible ramifications

Given that your stated preferred 'common sense' solution to homophobic chanting is fighting on the terraces, I think we can safely ignore your future comments.

Yes they should. Abuse is abuse. How people can say it's worse if the abuse is restricted to certain subjects is unvelievable. Who is anyone to say what affects people. It's discrimination to only make a stand for certain players feelings and not others.

Good point

How much is the fine for that ? , probably much less than 40 grand

you have still failed to read it properly. its ridiculous, honestly. How can you not see it. It literally tells you the clubs responsibilities, and it sets down the penalties for the offences, and it explains that homophobia is one of a few forms of abuse that will be treated different. Yet even though it is written in black and white for you, you refuse to believe and try and justify your idiotic notion on some strange technicality that isnt actually there.

so, you dont think the RFL were wrong, but you think they were wrong. Can we include you in Nottinghamtigers crew, who for some reason believe that even though you dont believe the offences at Leeds and Hull were as serious as those at Cas, and even though the RFL respect policy sanctions treat them differently, that the RFL should treat the Leeds and Hull offences the same as those at Cas because of some non-existent parallel?

indeed, cos when i called my nephew a silly banana when he bumped his knee, it was exactly the same as Ron Atkinson calling Marcel Desailly a lazy , after all abuse is abuse and who is anyone to say what affects people.

I think the rfl were right to act, but the punishment was wrong (as far worse offences have been treated more leniantly), two seperate things if you arent sure. Oh dear you do like to lump people into groups dont you? usually so you can say well they only disagree with me because....

I didnt say that the offences where the same or that they should be treated the same (making things up again tut tut smokey) just that all offences should be dealt with fairly and justly and that if some clubs are punished for breaching the respect policy then others should be punished when they break it to, which is the only reasonable thing to do.

You managed to repeat the same rubbish which had already been proven irrelevent or wrong, makes things up about what i actually said and what my opinion is and throw in a few insults as well. 3 out of 3 for my predictions smokey, your as predictable as you are wrong.

id reply, but you cant even post properly and i cant be bothered to make it make sense for you, ill leave it to you to sort out

It might have been or maybe not, it depends on how your nephew feels. It's possible that you shout at homophobic abuse to a homosexual perswon and it's like water off a ducks back, Likewise a studious person could be taunted for being a nerd and commits suicide. You could easily swap these roles around but the consitent is abuse. The only discrimination is some forms of abuse are treated differently to others.

congratulations on missing the point completely.

The point of the fine isnt to show that this minority of fans werent homophobic, it is to show that homophobia isnt accepted in rugby league, its about the rfl standing with its homosexual players and showing that they are accepted.

Gareth Thomas possibly having his feelings hurt isnt the reason for the fine, its to show homophobes and gay people on which side the RFL stands. Its to show to clubs and fans that being homophobic and allowing homophobia will not be tolerated, and the actual real life widespread discrimination against homosexuals isnt covered up and tacitly supported in RL. Its about showing homosexual players they are welcome and the RFL will stand with to make sure they wont suffer the discrimination and homophobia that unfortunately was rife and officially supported in this country not all that long ago.

You dont have the right not to be offended, you dont have the right to not have people being a little bit mean or 'taking the mick' you do have the right not be discriminated against and you do have the right to be protected against people using words and actions indicative and representative of still existing discriminatory attitudes.

Fact is society as a whole views homophobia as an infinitely more serious issue than someone taking the mick out of james grahams hair. History shows why to anyone with an ounce of intelligence. The RFL have shown they are on the right side of this issue.

If you want James Grahams hair and weight to be as important an issue as homophobia, the RFL isnt the direction for your ire, and RL isnt the forum for that change. Start a campaign, raise awareness of what you see as this very important issue, contact your member of parliament, create a group like stonewall to campaign against the discrimination James Grahams hair and weight face. You can show us how James Grahams hair and weight have led to many many many people being murdered, beaten, a lot of the time with legal backing, you can point to countries in the world where being James Grahams hair and weight is punishable by death, and maybe society will change, maybe they will collectively laugh and ask if you are being serious pretending something relatively minor is analogous to something clearly important, who knows, there could be millions of idiots prepared to follow you!

Just because clamping down on racism and homophobic attitudes are flavour of the month doesn't alter the fact that it is deemed acceptable (or least, turned a blind eye too) that you can insult an individual or a section of socirty that doesn't fall into the forbidden taboo's doesn't make it right. It makes it discrmitory. We don't need the RFL or anyone else to tell us what is right or wrong, we know. It should all be dealt with even handidly. I don't feel strongly about any subject (jame graham or otherwise) to campaign to have any chanting ruled out, what i do want is you either let it all go or you stop it all.