The question isn't about support, it seems to me. In terms of support they were better than Quins and on a par with Salford, in their first year. Despite losing nearly every game and clearly being uncompetitive. It's not unreasonable to assume that the support could only have grown from there, given time and a better side.

The question as to what's gone wrong seems - as always - to be far more to do with the quality of adminstration at both club and RFL level, which has once again seen our sport attracts several thousand new fans in a new area (a la Gateshead), and then screw them over royally.

Money , the lack of , pure and simple

Can you be a bit more specific about the problems the 'Heartlanders' have caused Celtic?
The above statement wasn't even close to an answer.

So the thoughts and words of people in Leigh,Widnes and Featherstone somehow cause people in South Wales to decide to not to attend a RL game in Bridgend ?



Incredible

oh and which credible accurate source has this come from? Seeing as 1 there has been no official announcement. 2 the pr guy is in the states on holiday 3 mike turner or any other member of the board are not answering phone calls or responding to the fans emails? So I ask you again who told you this or are you s**t stirring again? You have no source do you? Pipe down and crawl under your rock or play in the traffic. And don't bother with the I can't say who it is rubbish

On the link above, the Widnes MP claims Richard Lewis confirmed this is what they want to happen or will happen.

Um no. How does the rfl wants to see a superleague team in Wrexham. And the mp saying it is his belief crusaders will move, a confirmation? It's some unheard of mp trying to score points before an election by Reading between the lines and jumping to conclusions it is in no way reliable it is a personal oppinion based on assumption.

2+2 does seem to be adding up here though.

Despite the fact he spoke to Lewis twice in the past few days? Unheard of MP by the way? I wonder how many politicians you have heard of?

A now back bench former undersecretary of many positions is hardly the minister of sport. As for politions I've heard of lots thanks seeing as I watch this week question time and the daily politics religiously!

True, but he is part of the All Party Rugby League Group, and it would appear Richard Lewis had a meeting with this group.

It's not just this incident. It's all of them from day one.

Do you have a Phd in vagueness?



It's only a difficult question if you don't know the answer.

So you are suggesting that people in Lancashire and Yorkshire have some form of ' mind control ' capabilities ?

If it's all down to losing Samuels' cash a question must be asked:
With the fans in Bridgend, the academy side based in Bridgend, the national side based in Bridgend and the owners of the ground in Bridgend wanting matches to be played there - what is to stop Crusaders returning to Bridgend?
Sure, they may not be able to afford the Ozzie ringers, but those players havn't won them games so big wow.
play this year out, see what the deal is next year. The RFL could easily insist on the side re-locating to South Wales. You would expect the club to succeed based on the gates they get, Quins manage on less than that and they don't have a big budget to keep them afloat.

If you are going to pretend that the way the game has operated for so long is irrelevant then that's your outlook.

Quote ="chubbs1981"Um no. How does the rfl wants to see a superleague team in Wrexham. And the mp saying it is his belief crusaders will move, a confirmation? It's some unheard of mp trying to score points before an election by Reading between the lines and jumping to conclusions it is in no way reliable it is a personal oppinion based on assumption.'" Although Mr Twigg didn't exactly say it, the way I interpreted the situation was that the RFL would support the Crusaders potential move to Wrexham - which is what has been made public anyway in this report: www.runcornandwidnesweeklynews.c ... -25251772/ I very much doubt that the RFL would actually prefer the Crusaders to move to Wrexham after all of the work that has been done in South Wales.

Quote ="chubbs1981"Um no. How does the rfl wants to see a superleague team in Wrexham. And the mp saying it is his belief crusaders will move, a confirmation? It's some unheard of mp trying to score points before an election by Reading between the lines and jumping to conclusions it is in no way reliable it is a personal oppinion based on assumption.'" Although Mr Twigg didn't exactly say it, the way I interpreted the situation was that the RFL would support the Crusaders potential move to Wrexham - which is what has been made public anyway in this report: www.runcornandwidnesweeklynews.c ... -25251772/ I very much doubt that the RFL would actually prefer the Crusaders to move to Wrexham after all of the work that has been done in South Wales.

So who exactly are you ' blaming ' for the situation that the Crusaders find themselves in ?

It's all down to the mind bullets being fired from Northern mining towns, obviously.

Otherwise the good citizens of Bridgend would have flocked (no pun intended) to watch them.

In this case, the blame is with the RFL who have clearly rushed it, not given them a couple more years to develop at a lower level, not made LS give some form of bond or commitment and allowed him to do a runner. (if indeed, that is what has happened). Then plonk them in Wrexham and hope for a miracle.

But it would be exactly the same reaction from some, no matter what the circumstances.

I have always felt that if they were going to expand the game that it should of been in areas like wrexham, growing the game in non rl areas that are around 40 mins or an hour away from strongholds would surely be more likely to succeed with greater away support from opposistion clubs along with greater ease for the fans to travel to away games its either this way for expansion or as said previously more time in the championships to establish themselves

All of which is what most of us ' flatcappers ' suggested would happen

The silence on here from certain posters is deafening

I say this with no pleasure , I like most of the other proffessors of doom would have preffered to have been wrong , unlike many on here we had met chatted to , shared a beer with and seen the truth of the set up at bridgend

What happens now is the important thing

As for any future potential clubs , then yes the issue of a ' bond ' is exactly what I suggested about the Paris reports , far too many times we have seen promises dissapear , If clubs already with reasonabley large support bases are struggling how the hell can anybody expect a new club to get to a break even inside 20 years is total stupidity , unfortunatley our desperation to expand the sport to draw in more TV and corporate monies means we keep making stupid decisions

That's a flatcapper's definition of Project/Scope Creep



Only kidding.

Very much what Barny and myself have suggested in the past

Spreading rather than ' sateliting '

I'd have been looking at larger RU clubs or smaller football clubs , with the focus on a sustainable Championship club rather than a SL club

Funded by the RFL guaranteed for 6 years , but all out in the open , I and many other Championship fans could happily live with that as long as we saw the RFL coming up with some serious help to the existing clubs as well