You often do, usually with ill-informed, flat-capper drivel

You're allowed a maximum of 5 names on each list. If you ignore the complexities of the exemptions, then that effectively means that you can't have more than five non-english players in total, since all players on the quota list will also be on the non-fed list (I presume the two list thing is being retained to show, if in name only, that the RFL recognises a legal distinction between players with and players without a given right to work in this country).

The confusion is arising because the exemptions from non-fed status are creating an artificial situation in which a player can be on the quota but exempt from the non-fed list (this won't be possible once all the exemptions have run out). Therefore it is currently theoretically possible to have 5 quota players and as many non-fed players as you like, provided they were all on board before 2008.

You must have been absolutely besides yourself 12 years ago then , when rugby league sacrificed an expansion club to the benefit of an established one,being a rugby league fan first and all that.Due to the fact it's 80 percent fc fans commenting on here and one quins fan who saw his side smashed twice last year with ease (without mason) as dally says jealousy .close thread mods

You really do need either some history lessons or a simple course in basic accounting for dummies.

The word 'Quota' refers only to non-EU players nowadays. Everyone else is either Club Trained, Fed Trained, or Non Fed.

Like shooting fish in a barrel roofs.....re-read my post. I said what the RFL are looking at....not what straws you were grasping at!
I already said you had more home fans.....but away fans, shirt sales and MM mean f^&k all.....but hey, you carry on slopping paint on the toilet of a ground you have, spending money on over the hill Aussies in the pursuit of the bigger and better run hull club and patting yourself on the back for your away support....missile throwers and all.


...what? repeating meaningless factoids? You do go on roofs.....except you go on about stuff that doesn't matter. Your posts are as empty as HKA's trophy cabinet over the last 4 years.




Over use of pictures in a submission stopped counting for anything when you left Primary school (that's if you have left)

My "sham" of an "experimental" club tick more RFL boxes than your proud and traditional outfit. Where we fall down, we freely admit to having a problem, but HKA continue to try to find a short term solution....like taking an expensive asprin to try to cure cancer.

As I mentioned on another thread, the laws of arithmetic will catch up with them long before anything that red Hall can conjure

Without wishing to derail the thread, what happened about the lighter-throwing at Wigan players?

I think the RFL accepted the excuse that they were convinced Mick Crane had signed for Wigan and he was asking for a light for the tab he always kept behind his ear

{note to roofs....use of smilies is permitted here.....the post was funny so I laughed....not the poster laughing at himself}



good point...Castleford got hammered for a chant...which whilst not nice, was never potentially going to take someones eye out.

How many non-fed players are you allowed?

Like I said, I thought you were only allowed a maximum of 5 overseas trained players, which is a combination of non-fed and quota player? And I thought this was the point of changing the quota laws?

So which Rovers players are non-fed players did Rovers have before 2008? I can only think of Vella, Fisher, Lovegrove and Newton. The other 6 are either non-fed or quota. Which one isn't included in the 5?

William Marshal Mason. Born 1980 Auckland New Zealand
Raised in NSW.
Has played State of Origin...although he isn't from either NSW or Q'land
Has Played RL for Australia...although he isn't from Australia
Has Played RL for Tonga...although he isn't from Tonga

Interestingly, Tonga was the only pacific Island not colonised by the British......so there is no commonwealth tie in.......even if he were Tongan!

Please explain, how a guy born in New Zealand who has played international RL for 2 countries (so far) and SOO for a state he wasn't from doesn't count as an overseas player?
He was trained in NSW........he was signed at 19yrs of age by the dogs.....he has learnt his trade in the NRL......and yet he doesn't count as overseas....only in ENGLISH Rugby League would this happen or would anyone try to defend it

only in English RL? Didn't Australia pick him for SOO and Kanagaroos and Tonga for their national side? Seems rules on eligibility are "flexible" all over the world of RL!

Only in English RL would someone with that Biography NOT be counted as overseas..........PAY ATTENTION AT THE BACK

As I was trying to get across in my post, it's not 'the 5', but a maximum of 5 quota players and a maximum of 5 non-fed players. If you ignore the exemptions that are currently in place for certain players, this means that effectively there is a flat limit of five overseas players (quota or non-fed) in place, as quota players are also non-fed players (So if my club signs five quota players it has also signed five non-fed players, and is maxed out on both fronts. On the other hand, if it signs five non-fed players, it has no quota players, but couldn't go and sign one, because that player would also count as a non-fed, and would take the club over the limit for non-fed players). So if the system was working as it was designed to, then Hull KR would basically be restricted to 5 overseas players, wherever they had come from.

The exemptions make a mess of the whole thing though. Say my club has 5 quota players who have been at the club since 2006. They [ishould[/i count as quota [iand[/i non-fed, but, because of exemptions, only count as quota. That means that I can, if I want, go out and sign another five non-fed players with EU passports without breaking my limit of quota players or non-fed players. To make matters worse, if I have Non-fed, EU passport holding players who have been at the club for years, they count as neither quota nor non-fed. So I could, in theory, get away with having 11, 12 or more overseas players.

So what I'm trying to say is that, because of these exemptions, it isn't a matter of 'the 5'. HKR have clearly managed to juggle the status of their overseas players (using exemptions and impromptu EU/Kolpak passports) in such a way that very few of their players count as [iboth[/i quota [iand[/i non-fed, and some of them count as neither. As such, they have managed to squeeze plenty of non-British players into their squad. In theory, once all the pre-2008 players have retired, this will no longer be possible.

My guess is they've done it like this:

Quota:
Vella (exempt from non-fed as signed pre-200icon_cool.gif
Clinton (signed after 2008, so counts as both quota and non-fed)
Newton (exempt from non-fed as signed pre-200icon_cool.gif
Green (As Clinton)
Dobson (As Clinton and Green)

Non-Fed:
Mason (exempt from quota after buying Tongan PM a pint)
Clinton
Green
Dobson

Neither:
Fisher (exempt from quota as qualifies for EU through residency? Exempt from non-fed as signed pre-200icon_cool.gif
Galea (exempt from quota due to shiny new Maltese passport. Exempt from non-fed as signed pre-200icon_cool.gif
Webster (exempt from quota due to Islander passport? Exempt from non-fed as signed pre-200icon_cool.gif
Lovegrove (apparently exempt from quota - he has played for Scotland, which might have something to do with it. Exempt from non-fed as signed pre-200icon_cool.gif

If I'm right then they could actually squeeze another non-fed in there.

No not currently we can't due to Galea hitting red tape with his Maltese passport. Had he got his passport the club may well have not asked Mason to go to Tonga meaning he could have just applied for his Aus Visa and got here before Christmas as was previously expected to happen by Mason and his agent.

Lovegrove has never played for Scotland either. He arrived mid 2007 as a 20yr old, however the rules then stated that you had to have played reserve and first grade for the English club for at least one year but due to the rules changing after he had played half a season as a 20yr old the RFL gave him 'special' dispensation. His mother is English too so qualifies to play for England, Australia and as he has a Scottish grandparent he can play for them too if he so wishes.

and of course being born in NZ and playing for Tongan made him a through and through New South Welshman?

Not that it's relevant to anything but Gutterfax is wrong to say that Tonga was the only Pacific island not colonised by the British and that there is no Commonwealth connection. To mention only two island groups Hawaiii and Tahiti were never colonised by the British either. Strictly, Tonga was never a British colony but very few other Pacific Islands were either. Tonga became a British Protectorate (like many other island groups) in 1900 and joined the Commonwealth as an independent nation in 1970.

Gutterfax in "wrong" shocker.

There's a first, second, third........etc

Really not ar$ed anymore Gutterfax (or Codhead for that matter). I see it like this:

1999:

Hull KR were in administration and playing in the (now) NL1, averaging 2000 fans

Fulcrubronquins Experiment were a competitive Super League side who reached the Challenge Cup Final at Wembley (though for the record, they failed to sell out their ticket allocation for the biggest game in their history, in their own city

). They were however (IIRC) averaging at least 4000 fans for home games.


2010

Hull KR are not in administration, and are a competitive Super League club, reaching the play-offs in their 4th SL season, and have averaged a minimum 7000 fans during each of their SL seasons so far.

Fulcrubronquins Experiment are a struggling Super League club (in terms of league position), and average 2500-3000 fans.


I know which club/experiment has progressed more over the last 12 years, and it isn't Fulcrubronquins Experiment.





Like I said before Gutterfax, all those young London players have received their opportunity because Fulcrubronquins Experiment do not have the resources of other (successful and real) clubs, if you did you would still be the team of 17 Aussies that you were when (wrongly) fast-tracked to SL in '96.

are you sure about hawaii ?
the british union flag is incorporated into the hawaiian national flag.

Cheating your way to Wembley with a non-registered player , must have also been absolute torture

Then why post?

In response:
1999:
HKR in lower league with a squad of English players. Fulhamcrusaderbroncoquins in SL and the CC final with a team full of aussies.
2010
Fulhamcrusaderbroncoquins STILL in SL but now with with a squad full of English players. HRA in SL with a team full of aussies (note the absence of a mention of the CC final)

Now, given the RFL's rules on player development, stadiums, overseas quotas etc.....I know which club is making moves in the right direction....and it ain't the one from east hull

I don't think that is right. Vella and Newton surely can't count on the quota if they have EU passports. Having an EU passport is what gets you "off quota".

Just looking at the RFL statement, it says that the following players are quota players:
Ben Galea, Blake Green, Michael Dobson, Joel Clinton and Jake Webster.

"RFL said Mason was not able to be classed as a quota player due to the 'Cotonou Agreement'."

If they are the five quota players, then your list may be like this (using your interpretation of the confusing RFL rules):
Quota:
Clinton (signed after 2008, so counts as both quota and non-fed)
Green (As Clinton)
Dobson (As Clinton and Green)
Webster
Galea

Non-Fed:
Mason (exempt from quota after buying Tongan PM a pint)
Clinton
Green
Dobson
Webster
Galea

Neither:
Fisher (exempt from quota as qualifies for EU through residency? Exempt from non-fed as signed pre-200icon_cool.gif
Lovegrove (apparently exempt from quota - he has played for Scotland, which might have something to do with it. Exempt from non-fed as signed pre-200icon_cool.gif
Vella
Newton

I don't get how you can be on the quota but federation trained. Surely if you are an Australian that is trained in this federation, it gets you off the quota? (And, do any of the Hull KR players come under this anyway?).

The RFL statement has explained nothing really! In fact, it's only led to more confusion. I'm beginning to be concerned that they may not even understand their own system!?