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| Quote: Anakin Skywalker "When a ref drops a massive blunder the coach should be allowed to talk to whoever he want's without fear of the big bad RFL for daring to have an opinion.
Because Jon Sharp COULDN'T keep it behind closed doors as it was such a MASSIVE balls up the excuse however doesn't in anyway stand up to any real scrutiny but Jon is happy with it.
Now you have to ask. Is he thick or did he give a BS excuse to appease the masses whilst in private saying 'Come on Steve that can't be right'.'"
What would he hope to achieve by talking to a journalist?
Are you allergic to answering questions or something?
BTW, you don't seem to understand the difference between an excuse and an explanation.
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| Quote: Richie "What would he hope to achieve by talking to a journalist?
Are you allergic to answering questions or something?
BTW, you don't seem to understand the difference between an excuse and an explanation.'" Putting it out there instead of having to hide under a rock. Which was the point of this thread.
I know the difference and 'Tracked the wrong' player maybe many things including an excuse but it certainly isn't an explanation as it explains nothing that makes any sense.
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| Quote: Anakin Skywalker "Putting it out there instead of having to hide under a rock. Which was the point of this thread.
I know the difference and 'Tracked the wrong' player maybe many things including an excuse but it certainly isn't an explanation as it explains nothing that makes any sense.'"
You still haven't actually answered the question "Putting it out there" isn't a gain.
Referreing decisions aren't hidden under a rock.
"Tracked the wrong player" was the reason given for making the error. In this particular case, what explanation did the Hull player give for making the error of chasing the kick from an offside position? Not sure why I'm asking you, considering your allergy
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| Quote: Richie "You still haven't actually answered the question
Quote: Richie ""Tracked the wrong player" was the reason given for making the error. In this particular case, what explanation did the Hull player give for making the error of chasing the kick from an offside position? Not sure why I'm asking you, considering your allergy
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| Quote: WireFanatic III "The coaches fear of the referees?
The coaches don't fear the referee's........they just fear the repercussions for speaking out against incompetency.
The referees are just too protected, and are never held accountable for their actions/mistakes. Coaches should be allowed to say what they want to say about a referee's performance, and if the ref's feel that they did a good job, they should have the balls to come out on live television and confirm that they feel they did a good job.
But because they don't, they won't and they are never held accountable for their actions, then nothing will be done.'"
Sorry, this is cobblers.
Rugby League is an incredibly violent game played by incredibly aggressive men. The line between a hard game and an illegal brawl is actually very thin. That line is held only by the referee, often with 10,000 fans urging their players across the line. If you have a situation before a game where the players, and the fans, all have been given tacit permission by a coach through public criticism, to believe that the referee has no authority, then you will have chaos.
Even at an amateur level, anyone who watches the game will know that if a club begins a game without respect for the referee, then it gets very nasty, very quickly.
It is absolute nonsense, and frankly demonstrates a very limited understanding of the game, to suggest that coaches or players should be given carte blanche to publicly criticise referees. It would be a fast and ugly road to a serious car crash.
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| Quote: Anakin Skywalker "Yes I have it's not my fault that you don't like it.
Reason given yes (An excuse is also a 'reason given' BTW) explanation no as it actually explains nothing. Again it's not my fault that you don't like that.'"
No, you still haven't answered.
If you weren't happy with the explanation, can you explain what kind of explanation you would have been happy with? Can you answer the prior questions too please? If you were able to do that, we might progress the discussion. Sorry if that interrupted what you only intended as a drunken rant
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| Quote: OzWelsh "No, I disagree. Refs should NOT have to earn respect, simple as that. You can't have that situation. It's dishonest cheating players that are the problem. There needs to be 2 refs, that will help, but still mistakes will be made, as they're human. Look at the DRS in crikeet ffs!'"
When was Josh Charnley a dishonest cheat? He did his best to get the ball down. He didn't. James Child still gave the try. How can you respect James Child for decisions like that?
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| Quote: Roy Haggerty "Sorry, this is cobblers.
Rugby League is an incredibly violent game played by incredibly aggressive men. The line between a hard game and an illegal brawl is actually very thin. That line is held only by the referee, often with 10,000 fans urging their players across the line. If you have a situation before a game where the players, and the fans, all have been given tacit permission by a coach through public criticism, to believe that the referee has no authority, then you will have chaos.
Even at an amateur level, anyone who watches the game will know that if a club begins a game without respect for the referee, then it gets very nasty, very quickly.
It is absolute nonsense, and frankly demonstrates a very limited understanding of the game, to suggest that coaches or players should be given carte blanche to publicly criticise referees. It would be a fast and ugly road to a serious car crash.'"
So referees can carry on making terrible decisions and get away with it? I just hope a referees decision doesn't send a team down next year.
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| Quote: Richie "No, you still haven't answered.
If you weren't happy with the explanation, can you explain what kind of explanation you would have been happy with? Can you answer the prior questions too please? If you were able to do that, we might progress the discussion. Sorry if that interrupted what you only intended as a drunken rant
Unfortunately you clearly you don't like the fact that my answers don't fit your point of view. That can't be helped it's called having differing opinions.
I'll leave you to get upset that my answers don't give you what you want.
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| Quote: Anakin Skywalker "I refer you to my previous post.
Unfortunately you clearly you don't like the fact that my answers don't fit your point of view. That can't be helped it's called having differing opinions.
I'll leave you to get upset that my answers don't give you what you want.'"
Your answers can't upset me, because they weren't answers. I asked what was to be gained by a club coach taking his referee complaints to the press. Your answer about "putting it in the open" didn't imply any gain at all. Whilst I'm sure you have an opinion, you're struggling to articulate it, hence my questioning.
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| Quote: Awesome Aquinas "So referees can carry on making terrible decisions and get away with it? I just hope a referees decision doesn't send a team down next year.'"
What do you mean by "getting away with it" ? What do you want to happen to them?
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| Quote: Richie "What do you mean by "getting away with it" ? What do you want to happen to them?'"
James Child will just come out next week and referee/video referee another game. Surely he has to be stood down as punishment?
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| Quote: Awesome Aquinas "James Child will just come out next week and referee/video referee another game. Surely he has to be stood down as punishment?'"
Punishment for what?
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| Quote: Awesome Aquinas "James Child will just come out next week and referee/video referee another game. Surely he has to be stood down as punishment?'"
Just like a coach selects his best team, the league select their best refs. Now, if a player makes repeated errors he might find himself not playing, but only if the coach has a player he thinks is better to put in instead.
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| Quote: Richie "Just like a coach selects his best team, the league select their best refs. Now, if a player makes repeated errors he might find himself not playing, but only if the coach has a player he thinks is better to put in instead.'"
This is the problem, like it or not these refs that get selected are the best of the bunch. We can't simply go dropping refs because we've got nobody to replace them with.
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