Just to clarify Wrexham Crusaders and Wrexham ANZACS is not the name of the team. It is Crusaders Rugby League.

Wrexham Crusaders Ltd, a company has been formed to replace the original Celtic Crusaders Ltd. No club I know in existance has Limited at the end of their name as much as some would like to think so.

ANZACS is used in many other contexts though, for instance in 2004 (IIRC) Cumbria played the ANZACS at Derwent Park.

Also there has been a Kangaroo vs Kiwi fixture on ANZAC day in the past. Nobody takes offence at it being described as the ANZAC test or ANZAC match.

Fair enough. I stand corrected.

For what it is is worth though the names are used to commemorate something or name something after the ANZAC as a mark of respect. I think using it as a way of mocking something or someone is something totally different. The club aren't getting named ANZACS for any good reason here.

I still think it is a bit stupid to call Crusaders the Wrexham Crusaders and ANZACS when it isn't technically their name also.

If it pleases some though let them carry on.

Thanks I will.

Wrexham Crusaders IS the company name.

Wrexham ANZACs is my derogatory nickname for this mostly SH team playing out of North Wales. If you choose to point out its other connotations in an effort to paint me as somehow disrespectful to the commonwealth soldiers who died in the war, well I think that's a matter for you not me.

I have no issue with you Lew. Never have, never will. But what can I say? I detest your club. I don't take kindly to being screwed over and the lies about no investment in S Wales merely rubs salt into the wound. so I have a go. And will continue to point out every lie, every hypocrisy that reveals itself.

There's plenty of barracking of clubs goes on on these boards and people don't take it personally.

thats it in a nutshell

at least this guy can admit what is a common afflication.

jealousy gets you nowhere buddy

He's a Rugby League fan from South Wales who's just had his club moved north to Wrexham. What do you expect him to say? Jealosy? Of course ! He's just lost his club you daft prick.

Spot on Rich, you tell him lad.

You really don't have a clue, do you?

Grendel is a South Walian who supported the Crusaders until they moved. Crucrucrusaders is a South Walian who continues to support Crusaders despite the move.

What precisely is Grendel supposed to be jealous of?

This in a nutshell illustrates your whole problem. Anyone who takes a different view from you with regard to Crusaders is obviously a flatcapper who is envious.

You can carry on Chris.

I'm going to try to relax and enjoy my rugby league this year. Be that Crusaders, Scorpions, Newport Titans whoever.

If I trawled these boards looking to defend Crusaders over everything that was said about them I'd never get off here and my life is consumed enough by rugby league as it is. If only I could win the lottery.

I'll probably see you at Scorpions games and we'll agree to disagree on this one. The argument could go on and on so I'll let it go over my head. Good luck to Scorpions for the new season and let's hope we get a day where a Welsh derby game happens in the league. I'll take that.