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| McGillvary and Briscoe
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| I like the ON CURRENT FORM is nice and bold in the hope that a player from the OP's club will be picked.
Form is only a factor in international selection. Form is temporary, class is permanent. Experience counts for a lot as do other factors such as influence in the dressing room and performances in past internationals.
For me Ryan Hall has to be picked, he may not (by his own very high standards) of had his best season but past international performance guarantees selection.
That leaves the other side. I'd pick Burgess. I think he is class and will kick on to be one of the worlds best. He has a proper rugby brain and has the knack of being in the right place at the right time. I understand the arguments to go for an all Leeds back 3 with the understanding they have. Briscoe would be in my squad.
McGillvary is on top form but IMO not quite in the class of Hall, Burgess and Briscoe.
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| On current form, Charnley is behind Manfredi at Wigan, never mind England.
Hall & Burgess IMO.
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| Hall, Briscoe and Burgess in the squad. Hall and Burgess to start.
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| Briscoe & Burgess.
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| Burgess and A.N other
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| Even though his weekly round form has been as fair to middling as ever Hall is a nailed on certainty and rightfully so because he's the ultimate big game player.
The second spot must go to Burgess who's been the best winger in the comp ever since round 5ish (after a shaky start) and looks special.
That will leave a spot for a back up winger and I'd go with McGillvary. He's been quality these past few months and his physical presence will be a weapon. It's that physical presence that would always make me wary of picking Briscoe who's been easily negated against the Aussies and Kiwis in the past.
Other then those 4 you could make cases for Makinson, Manfredi, Charnley, Lineham and even Justin Carney. A strange position to be in after having Gardner and Calderwood on the wings not long back!!
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| McGillvery has moved up the pecking order (and Charnley well down) but he still doesn't make it over Hall, Briscoe and Burgess.
Hall's not scoring many but he isn't get loads of chances. We use him as an extra forward mostly in our own half and he gets very little ball in the opposition half nowadays. Other wingers wouldn't have scored 20/25 plus tries either if they'd have spent the year playing on Leeds left wing. We're scoring plenty of tries but they aren't 'create the overlap and let the winger squeeze in' tries.
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| I'd run with Briscoe and Hall, especially if we're having Hardaker at full back. They all know each others games inside out and that could help us on receiving kicks and getting a good roll on going forward.
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| Burgess has been sensational for 2 years now and with Hall should be England's starting winger.
Having Briscoe, McGilvary, Makinson, Lineham and Charnley in reserve shows we're getting some quality depth in this department.
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| We have 4 good wingers in Hall, Burgess, Briscoe and McGilvary. Shame we don't have a 2nd decent centre to go with Kallum Watkins.
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| Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "We have 4 good wingers in Hall, Burgess, Briscoe and McGilvary. Shame we don't have a 2nd decent centre to go with Kallum Watkins.'"
Reed has been good in a top of the table Broncos side.Sarginson did excellent last years 4 nations but hasn't really kicked on this season but has proved he can cut it at the top.Shenton has had a top year and Percival is not far away now.I wouldn't we were looking too bad at all throughout the threequarters and for once we have genuine competition.
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| They're all good with the ball but they're not all good defensively.
Got to be Hall and Briscoe or Hall and McGillvary for me wouldn't object to Burgess neither.
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| Naturally I'd prefer Tommy Makinson because he's a Saint. But I wouldn't have any complaints if some of the other names were selected ahead of him. He isn't the most dangerous winger in the league. But speaking as someone whose nerves have been shredded once too often I think there's something to be said for a player you'd trust to make the right decision with your life.
I should also say that a lot depends on specialization and the tactics (especially kicking) employed by the coach.
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| Quote: Mugwump "Naturally I'd prefer Tommy Makinson because he's a Saint. But I wouldn't have any complaints if some of the other names were selected ahead of him. He isn't the most dangerous winger in the league. But speaking as someone whose nerves have been shredded once too often I think there's something to be said for a player you'd trust to make the right decision with your life.
I should also say that a lot depends on specialization and the tactics (especially kicking) employed by the coach.'"
I agree a lot depends on the tactics, going against the Southern Hemisphere you're talking about a physical game. Do you want to go for the back 3 who will act like forwards giving relieving sets whilst your forwards get a breather? If so then Hall and Briscoe and McGillivery look more likely.
Let's be honest all options can score tries if given the chances so it's up to what they do other than that. Funnily enough we've got to the point and style in the game now when you actually have to look past how many tries a winger has scored, that's not the be all and end all of their position now and often just tells a picture of how well this club have been at getting him in, not that he's a better finisher than other candidates.
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