not sure on the Galea situation

re Lovegrove and Mason
Mason is non quota non fed trained
Lovegrove is quota fed trained

now if you can have 5 quota fed trained and 5 non quota non fed trained I don't know? In theory you could have 5 Australians who moved to UK at 17 and 5 Pacific Islanders who moved here this season, I think.
figure it out and let me know when you do please!

Lovegrove would qualify as fed-trained as 2008er - his dispensation allows us to count him as club-trained, even though he didn't complete a [ufull[/u season with us as an academy age qualified player prior to 2008.

Galea is fed-trained (2008 rule), but remains on quota as his Maltese passport did not come through. Thus our quota remained full - Clinton, Webster, Green, Dobson, Galea. We could not sign Mason as a quota player. Could we sign him as an off-quota, but non-fed player (ie Tongan)? Yes. Because on the non-fed register we only have Clinton, Green and Dobson (+ Mason). So Mason's passport was crucial.

Lovegrove is off-quota with a UK passport, I believe. His family are from Swindon originally, iirc. On the Hull KR board I've done by best to go through what has happened with Hull KR with regards to the non-fed rule since it was introduced in 2008 (also covering the quota rule that we now know to be seperate), in my 'brief history'.

How can he be both fed trained(200icon_cool.gif and quota?

Doesn't have an EU passport (so quota) but was here before 2008 (so Fed Trained). Before we were aware of the two list system such a combination would not have made a difference. Now it does.

So why would he need a eu passport if he is classed as fed trained anyway?

To come off the Quota.

Two lists, remember?

Im off to bed.

Hang on...

I thought that you could have any combination of quota or non-fed players, so long as they didn't exceed 5 in your squad (i.e. 5Q 0NF, 4Q 1NF, 3Q 2NF, 2Q 3NF, 1Q 4NF, 0Q 5NF). So what difference does it make if someone is on the quota or is non-fed? If you have 3Q and 2NF, and a quota players becomes "non-fed", then you have 2Q 3NF, which is still the 5 in your squad you're not allowed to exceed? This is what confuses me as it seems pointless to have a differentiation between the two!

Having a European passport does not make you UK trained, so regardless of whether you can obtain one of not doesn't make a jot of difference (that was the point of the new quota system, surely?). It only matters to those who were here BEFORE the quota system came in place, and they were given exemptions as UK trained players (or in Lovegroves case, somehow a club trained player!).

So, I don't understand how Rovers have got 6 playesr that are neither club trained, exempt, or UK trained?

It must be a worry for the Hull KR fans that he hasnt even arrived yet. He struggled at times last season with his fitness (Micheal Smith-lite) and yet here we are, weeks from the start of the season and he hasnt had a minutes pre season training under his belt.

He is going to fail spectacularly.

Stop trolling.

I don't think Hull fans (or SL fans in general) have a problem with Mason coming. It's the fact that they appear to be over the quota limit. If they offloaded a quota player for Mason then no-one would be bothered. But somehow they've been allowed to get around the system in a way that no-one seems to really be able to understand. There are plenty of quota places left all over the league, so jealousy (which is what you are implying) that others can't get away with it is not the case. Other clubs don't need to get away with it because they don't have that many quota players!

yeah right. man if i were a fc fan id be more worried about getting the most potential out of what should be one of the strongest SL clubs than what a club which is half the size of my own does.

its like a st george fan worrying about what cronulla do

I can only assume your following Starbug from someone with an actual point of view into trollhood has become complete. Well done, you have brought yourself down to level of Dally M and Barry Mckenzie and Ceejames.

OK...

You can have a maximum of 5 players in your squad who are neither club trained nor Federation Trained.

These players fall into two groups:
Quota - players without a European passport or equivalent.
Non Fed - players with a European passport (or equivalent) who did not spend at least 3 years at a UK club prior to the age of 21.

These two list operate independently of each other with 5 slots available in each list. A player can take up a slot in either OR BOTH lists. For example, an Australian national who did not train with a UK club prior to the age of 21 would take up a slot in both the Quota and Non Fed lists.

There are exceptions, the main one of which is that any player who was registered with a UK club prior to the rules being introduced in 2008 can apply to come off the Non Fed list and become Federation Trained.

Rovers have two players who are Australian but were here before 2008. These player count as Quota but not Non Fed. They have other players who count as Non Fed but not quota, and others who count on neither list as they have an EU passport and were here before 2008.

Rovers have a lot of players who were here before 2008 and/or have EU (or equivalent) passports, allowing them to fill the available slots creatively. Plus Lovegrove who is counted as Club Trained through special dispensation. Hence the large number.

But aren't EU passports still classed as non-fed trained

Only the ones who trained somewhere other than the UK, and weren't here before 2008.

Ah yes, the ignoring the difficult to answer point while trying to take the thread off on a tangent ploy.

Text book Kipperman. First rate!

Aaaw you think you had a point

It is the pre-2008 exemptions that are making the thing so complicated. Once the majority of contracts agreed pre-2008 have expired then the whole thing should be an awful lot simpler - it will effectively be a straightforward limit of 5 non-British players. In the meantime, though, it would be nice if the RFL could publish details of precisely how each club satisfies the criteria.

We have to wait for the players to retire rather than their contracts to end. The exemptions follow the player for life, no matter how many times he changes clubs.

Well IMO your joke of an Experiment should never have been fast-tracked from the lower-leagues.

You're a lower-league Experiment in every sense.

How about these comparisons:

Home support? Rovers 1 FCBQE 0
Travelling support? Rovers 1 FCBQE 0
Merchandise sales? Rovers 1 FCBQE 0
Contribution to the 'success' of MM? Rovers 1 FCBQE 0

I could go on....

That's unfortunate. Still, the numbers will come down gradually over the next three years or so (at HKR Galea and Vella are 32 and will have to be replaced by federation trained players when they retire).

I'm a RL fan before I'm an FC fan. It does concern me what all clubs do in the game, especially if it is a desire to bend round the rules in spite of the spirit of the game.

Instead of trying to pretend you know what FC fans think anyway, tell is your opinion. Do you think it is right that Rovers seem to have 6 non-fed players on there books when the rules state you can only have 5?

So are you saying you can have 5 non-fed players AND 5 quota players?! That's not what the Super League website says: [url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/page.php?id=346Super League Competition Structure[/url

"Overseas trained players 2011 = 5"

You were allowed 5 quota and 5 non-fed in 2008, but I'm sure in 2011 it's now down to 5 of any (rendering the difference between "quota" and "non-fed" meaningless)?

[i"The 30-year-old North Queensland Cowboys forward, who has a Tongan mother but was actually born in New Zealand, has been registered with the RFL as a non-Federation trained player but does not count on the five-strong quota. "[/i

This article suggests that he isn't even on that quota. If that's the case, does that mean he's classed as federation trained?! If so, that is absolutely ludicrous!

(Sorry if I'm covering old ground here, there's a lot of pages that I can't be bothered to sift through.