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[quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35]
[quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]: |
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| Quote: j.c "in your opinion,if these chants were being made at the KC stadium by cas/leeds,hkr fans,whos accountable for the 40thou fine?'"
the clubs would share responsibility.
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "it depends on the situation, the fans of the club doing it, and the response of the club
if its the Hull FC fans, and at the KC, and the stewards challenge and eject those doing the chanting, the PA make an announcement regarding the chanting, and the club ban those ejected, and the club conduct a proper enquiry, nothing,
if its the hull fc fans, at the KC, and the stewards, PA, and Club do nothing, then as per the Castleford precedent a £40k fine with £20k suspended
with plenty in between
or as i originally said [iit depends on the situation, the fans of the club doing it, and the response of the club[/i'"
You have missed the point
Why was I specific to theose stadia ?
They are all council run and council stewarded venues
Therefore a club could be fined for the inadequate stewarding of separate business
Would that club then be have to sue it's own landlords for recompense
As I pointed out much earlier , this is another in a long line of RFL knee jerk reactions without thinking things through properly
They introduce rules and regs to the sport but dont look at all the potential loopholes or ways that problems can be caused
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[quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35]
[quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]: |
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| Quote: Starbug "You have missed the point
Why was I specific to theose stadia ?
They are all council run and council stewarded venues
Therefore a club could be fined for the inadequate stewarding of separate business
Would that club then be have to sue it's own landlords for recompense
As I pointed out much earlier , this is another in a long line of RFL knee jerk reactions without thinking things through properly
They introduce rules and regs to the sport but dont look at all the potential loopholes or ways that problems can be caused'"
i didnt miss the point at all, i fully understood it, however the clubs still bare ultimate responsibility to the RFL
However the SMCs have a responsibility, in law, to make sure their facility doesnt discriminate through homosexuality and racism, so it would be in their best interests to work with the club to get rid of it.
If however they cant work the SMCs to create an atmosphere free from racist and homophobic behaviour, and they cant get rid of it themselves, then they cant use that stadium,
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "i didnt miss the point at all, i fully understood it, however the clubs still bare ultimate responsibility to the RFL
However the SMCs have a responsibility, in law, to make sure their facility doesnt discriminate through homosexuality and racism, so it would be in their best interests to work with the club to get rid of it.
If however they cant work the SMCs to create an atmosphere free from racist and homophobic behaviour, and they cant get rid of it themselves, then they cant use that stadium,'"
Perfectly correct
Not an ideal situation though , and as has been shown by the green and gold campaign at O/T , it is very difficult to control what a large crowd can do if they want to enough , and even more difficult to control a small number of people in a large crowd if they want to make a nuisance of themselves
This situation could and should have been dealt with much better for all concerned
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| Quote: Starbug "Perfectly correct
Not an ideal situation though , and as has been shown by the green and gold campaign at O/T , it is very difficult to control what a large crowd can do if they want to enough , and even more difficult to control a small number of people in a large crowd if they want to make a nuisance of themselves
This situation could and should have been dealt with much better for all concerned'"
So how would you have dealt with it then Starbug?
By the way any idea from you (or anyone else) on what the pa announcements were that drowned out two of the chants?
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| Quote: Traffic "By the way any idea from you (or anyone else) on what the pa announcements were that drowned out two of the chants?'"
The RFL respect CD at a guess.
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Traffic "So how would you have dealt with it then Starbug?
By the way any idea from you (or anyone else) on what the pa announcements were that drowned out two of the chants?'"
This is a post from ' Off no Seven ' on the Fax site , from a thread discussing the subject
Quote: Traffic "The precedent is already set in football.
It will always be the club to whom the fans belong that is punished. The alternative would encourage such behaviour where fierce rivalries exist.
With regards to the fine for Cas, the justification for it was the clubs lack of action to address the issue by identifying and excluding fans with the evidence available.
I think Cas were harshly treated for what was an isolated incident, I think the RFL should have been stronger and made a statement that it was just that and that it would be treated as such. Instead they panicked at the potential for negative publicity and over reacted, the impression has now been given that there is a problem within the game.
Gareth Thomas (with the assistance of his agent) has also manipulated the situation. His statement which included the line "something had to be done" in the context of homophobia in RL as opposed to the incident itself does him no credit. An unpleasant fact of life is that alternative lifestyles will always attract negative/abusive comments from certain people (please note I did not say "lifestyle choice"icon_wink.gif. Thats not to say that it is acceptable, however I do not accept that Rugby League fans have an issue with homophobia or racism anymore than any other cross section of society and would go as far as to say it is more accepting and tolerant than most.'"
1 st highlighted bit is basically were they went wrong
2 nd highlighted bit is probably where we are as a sport
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| Quote: Gaslight "The RFL respect CD at a guess.'"
So if Cas did play the respect CD, why no mention of any instruction given to the stewards re the chanting in their account of actions taken and what point are Cas trying to make when stating that the match commissioner heard nothing if the club did? (I can't imagine that they are trying to say that because the match commissioner didn't hear it that it didn't matter)
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| Quote: Starbug "This is a post from ' Off no Seven ' on the Fax site , from a thread discussing the subject
1 st highlighted bit is basically were they went wrong
2 nd highlighted bit is probably where we are as a sport'"
So you would've issued a strongly worded statement saying it's a one off and a minority of idiots etc then? In that case could Cas have saved themselves the issue if they had done similar i.e. taken action?
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| I doubt it, as the RFL were clearly hell-bent on making a point.
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| this is proof beyond doubt that the sport is bent
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| I've never mentioned this on these boards as it's not worth going on about but i'm gay and yes it is horrible to recieve abuse like as I have in the past and i'm glad something got done about it but i agree £40,000 is a bit to much for a small club like cas.
The RFL are no doubt making a point so that other clubs will take notice and stamp it out before they recieve a hefty fine like this which i think is unfair on castleford and this small & idiotic group of fans have tarnished their club and put the rest of the fans in a bad light as this has recieved national media attention.
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| The RFL obviously feel there are ground to investigateThank you for your email and apologies for the delay in responding.
I confirm that the Leeds chanting is subject to an investigation. Given an investigation is being conducted it is inappropriate for me to comment further on this case.
Thank you again for your email and if you have any queries please contact me.
Regards
Blake Solly
RFL Compliance Manager[/i"
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| so have these supporters been banned for homophobic chants or because cas has been fined £40thou?
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