Try the 2 nd bit


If there were Homophobic , Racist or sexist chants at the KC stadium , the LSV or the Stobart stadium

Who gets the fine ?

it depends on the situation, the fans of the club doing it, and the response of the club

if its the Hull FC fans, and at the KC, and the stewards challenge and eject those doing the chanting, the PA make an announcement regarding the chanting, and the club ban those ejected, and the club conduct a proper enquiry, nothing,

if its the hull fc fans, at the KC, and the stewards, PA, and Club do nothing, then as per the Castleford precedent a £40k fine with £20k suspended

with plenty in between

or as i originally said [iit depends on the situation, the fans of the club doing it, and the response of the club[/i

The reason for the fine is totally unjust. I'm not saying that the chanting wasn't wrong, but the fine is not for what happened but for what Cas apparently didn't do.

What was chanted has been heard at sporting venues up and down the country season after season. Until now, as far as I am aware, no club has ever been fined as a result of it.

No-one who was at that Cas game would have left the ground expecting repercussions - it's never been an issue. Go to any of the RL clubs where it's been chanted in the past and ask to see their investigation. There won't be one. Ask for evidence of what they did about it over and above what Cas did, there'll be nothing. Why? Because the RFL turned a blind eye or, it could be argued, even condoned it. It's not right, but it's how it was.

I've no problem if the RFL want to stamp something out, but give the clubs some notice first. You cannot go from that situation whereby the RFL sit back and do nothing year in, year out and then go to a £40k fine overnight. That's why it's wrong.

They made a rash and ill thought out decision, wanting to be seen to be PC and with it increased the negative publicity generated around this ten-fold.

in your opinion,if these chants were being made at the KC stadium by cas/leeds,hkr fans,whos accountable for the 40thou fine?

the clubs would share responsibility.

You have missed the point

Why was I specific to theose stadia ?


They are all council run and council stewarded venues

Therefore a club could be fined for the inadequate stewarding of separate business

Would that club then be have to sue it's own landlords for recompense

As I pointed out much earlier , this is another in a long line of RFL knee jerk reactions without thinking things through properly

They introduce rules and regs to the sport but dont look at all the potential loopholes or ways that problems can be caused

i didnt miss the point at all, i fully understood it, however the clubs still bare ultimate responsibility to the RFL

However the SMCs have a responsibility, in law, to make sure their facility doesnt discriminate through homosexuality and racism, so it would be in their best interests to work with the club to get rid of it.


If however they cant work the SMCs to create an atmosphere free from racist and homophobic behaviour, and they cant get rid of it themselves, then they cant use that stadium,

Perfectly correct

Not an ideal situation though , and as has been shown by the green and gold campaign at O/T , it is very difficult to control what a large crowd can do if they want to enough , and even more difficult to control a small number of people in a large crowd if they want to make a nuisance of themselves

This situation could and should have been dealt with much better for all concerned

So how would you have dealt with it then Starbug?

By the way any idea from you (or anyone else) on what the pa announcements were that drowned out two of the chants?

The RFL respect CD at a guess.

This is a post from ' Off no Seven ' on the Fax site , from a thread discussing the subject




1 st highlighted bit is basically were they went wrong

2 nd highlighted bit is probably where we are as a sport

So if Cas did play the respect CD, why no mention of any instruction given to the stewards re the chanting in their account of actions taken and what point are Cas trying to make when stating that the match commissioner heard nothing if the club did? (I can't imagine that they are trying to say that because the match commissioner didn't hear it that it didn't matter)

So you would've issued a strongly worded statement saying it's a one off and a minority of idiots etc then? In that case could Cas have saved themselves the issue if they had done similar i.e. taken action?

I doubt it, as the RFL were clearly hell-bent on making a point.

this is proof beyond doubt that the sport is bent