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Based on ability in Super League games, Jamie Lyon by a long, long way.

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Excluding AJ, i'm saying Scully.

I'd love to say Langer though from a Wire point of view.

the system is flawed.

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This was done by rugby league world a year a two ago, think it was best 50 in Superleague. The winner was Kieran Cunningham can,t remember the others.

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Quote: Odem "Going from this points system, Ricky Bibey is a better player than most in super league. This shows the most decorated player and not the BEST player. The most Decorated player to play in Super League was Edwards.

The best player was probably Andrew Johns.'"



No Ricky Bibey isnt better than most. The points system is for the most successful player in SL which has clearly been defined in all my posts. Shaun Edwards played for London in SL for 2 seasons and won sod all, not the most decoreted player

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Quote: McClennan "Why are people suggesting Andrew Johns? Are you suffering from pedantry overload because the last time I looked Johns didn't inspire any Super League teams to any trophies during this time here. Saying he's the greatest player to ever play in Super League would be like saying because Peter Falk appears in [iThe Player[/i he's the best actor in it.'"

That's exactly how it was worded before the question was changed. So yes, originally, it was exactly like your Peter Falk scenario.

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Why did the OP confuse the question in the first place with the rubbish scoring table that has nothing to do with best player, and may have little to do with actual success, depending on your criteria (e.g. is the highest points scorer in SL history not to be considered successful, or the highest try scorer, or the longest serving player, or the highest paid, etc?)

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Quote: LeedsDave "I think if we'd have wanted to 'fabricate' it we'd simply double the points for GF wins. That would obviously excel most of our players ahead of Saints!'"

Not if you counted SL players per se. Saints have won five SL titles, as have Leeds. That would put us on a par, except that we have won Challenge Cups as well, something Leeds appear to be incapable of doing.

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Quote: tristram "Why did the OP confuse the question in the first place with the rubbish scoring table that has nothing to do with best player, and may have little to do with actual success, depending on your criteria (e.g. is the highest points scorer in SL history not to be considered successful, or the highest try scorer, or the longest serving player, or the highest paid, etc?)'"


It was only confusing to people who didnt read the post properly. I simply demonstrated who was the most successful using a chart posted by somebody else on the leeds board and then asked who they thought was the best clarifying that two things are not the same. Quite simple to understand. TPS and TTS were not given points because it gives unfair advantage to kickers and wingers.

Could you please post another chart that would best show who are the most successful players in SL. I would suggest whichever formula you use the top 4 would remain the same.

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Quote: rollin thunder "bull. Johns only played one great game on his debut. was not in the game in the play offs against Hull. nothing more than a publicity stunt.'"

Johns DID play in the play-off so he had 3 games total, he also was a bit of a kn0b on the night being such a sore loser and all. He like the rest of the Warry team got his ass handed to him
www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/se ... ague.sport

Great player back home but couldn't quite cut it for the big game over here.

I thought Lyons was a top player but best player ever..no

my vote goes to Jason Smith, by far the best talent the black & whites have had in SL. Mercurial skills and a decent tackler too. Still plying his trade for Toowoomba Brothers at no.6 icon_biggrin.gif
Quote: rollin thunder "bull. Johns only played one great game on his debut. was not in the game in the play offs against Hull. nothing more than a publicity stunt.'"

Johns DID play in the play-off so he had 3 games total, he also was a bit of a kn0b on the night being such a sore loser and all. He like the rest of the Warry team got his ass handed to him
www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/se ... ague.sport

Great player back home but couldn't quite cut it for the big game over here.

I thought Lyons was a top player but best player ever..no

my vote goes to Jason Smith, by far the best talent the black & whites have had in SL. Mercurial skills and a decent tackler too. Still plying his trade for Toowoomba Brothers at no.6 icon_biggrin.gif


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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Johns DID play in the play-off so he had 3 games total, he also was a bit of a kn0b on the night being such a sore loser and all. He like the rest of the Warry team got his ass handed to him

Jason Smith? Best ever player in SL!! Best Hull player for sure, but he wasnt as good as Sculthorpe or Sinfield both players who played 6 and 13 as well imo! I think you maybe be guilty of black n white tinted glasses on this one.

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best player has to be Andrew Johns followed by Jamie Lyon then Steve Menzies IMO

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Quote: Cronus "That's exactly how it was worded before the question was changed. So yes, originally, it was exactly like your Peter Falk scenario.'"


Gareth Ellis - Wakefield version
David Solomona - Wakefield version

Didn't win anything but their all round performances in attack and DEFENCE coupled with the indominatable spirit and leadership in an unfancied team shouldn't be ignored.

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Quote: jarvis12345 "There appears to be alot of people complaining about the formula used and the interpretation of best player.

I think Bovrick has mis read the formula, MoM in GF is worth 3pts less than being named best player in the world. The Dream Team refers to SL dream team not a world 13.

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Quote: jarvis12345 "
GF

Fine, MoM [ion the winning team[/i in a Grand Final not only ranks you ahead of the best player in the world for a year, you get double the score.

The points system here is far, far too skewed to simply being on the right team on the day. The Golden Boot, maybe MoS, World XIII (and even pushing it Dream Team appearances) should be worth more in "measuring" who is the best, rather than simply being one of 17 for a best player award.

Now you've changed it to most successful SL player it might make more sense, but I still don't really agree with the weighting bias.

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