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based on what? WA is NOT a RL area, therefore it would be an EXPANSION team. Doh!
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| Quote: dally messenger "heartlants to me isnt where a rival sports crowds are ten times your own crowds
so no thats not my idea of heartland'"
What is your definition of a "heartland" then? |
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| Quote: JB Down Under "based on what? WA is NOT a RL area, therefore it would be an EXPANSION team. Doh!'"
WA already has a team in the NSW Cup
RL has been played in perth for 2 decades.
the perth grand final used to get crowds of 20,000.
perth even had an ARL team before.
RLs been a minor sport in WA for a long time. just like RLs been a minor sport in peripgnan for a long time. so therefore if your definition is correct, both are heartland clubs |
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| Quote: a.n Other "What is your definition of a "heartland" then?'"
its a very complicated and nuanced argument and im afraid it would just go over your head.
why are you even asking me this given your past posts on my knowledge of english RL?
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to give a clue, halifax is a heartland club.
does this mean Les Cats are the same?
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| Quote: dally messenger "its a very complicated and nuanced argument and im afraid it would just go over your head.
why are you even asking me this given your past posts on my knowledge of english RL?
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So you can't give a definition as it would contridict what you have previously posted. awww bless. Stick to AFL.
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| Quote: dally messenger "to give a clue, halifax is a heartland club.
does this mean Les Cats are the same?'"
Why do YOU consider Halifax to be a heartland of RL? |
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| Quote: a.n Other "So you can't give a definition as it would contridict what you have previously posted. awww bless. Stick to AFL.'"
why does my opinion now all of a sudden seem to matter to you?
given your past comments youve decided its not even worth debating me.
i guess the penny finally dropped. |
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| Quote: dally messenger "why does my opinion now all of a sudden seem to matter to you?
given your past comments youve decided its not even worth debating me.
i guess the penny finally dropped.'"
On this occasion I am interested in what your definition is. so what is it? You can say if you don't want to answer. No one can think any less of you. |
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| Quote: a.n Other "On this occasion I am interested in what your definition is. so what is it? You can say if you don't want to answer. No one can think any less of you.'"
if you want a reasonable debate with me ill need more than that. sorry. |
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| Quote: dally messenger "heartlants to me isnt where a rival sports crowds are ten times your own crowds
prior to UTC merging each club was lucky to get 1000 fans whilst the scum USAP get 13,000 or so
so no thats not my idea of heartland
RL in france was comatose. anybody that argues Les Cats success was a sure thing because they are a heartland team is simply stupid'"
Nobody said "it was a sure thing".
How many fans do you think Oldham Athletic have? Now compare that to the Roughyeds....
Hurrah it turns out that Oldham isn't heartlands after all.
Oldham is a heartlands area, it is just that the Roughyeds are underperforming. The same with the THREE clubs that formed UTC (not two dally another slip up - another club joined after the initial merger). They weren't reaching their potential as unmerged clubs, similar some might say to "Cumbria" (not that this will ever happen). |
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| Quote: dally messenger "WA already has a team in the NSW Cup
RL has been played in perth for 2 decades.
the perth grand final used to get crowds of 20,000.
perth even had an ARL team before.
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It is pretty clear that what is considered "heartlands" in England and France is pretty different from "heartlands" in Australia.
There would be virtually no towns whatsoever in Europe that are heartlands by the standards of Australia.
Perth is an AFL state but rugby league has a strong minority presence. "Strong minority" presence in Europe would make that a heartland area but not in Australia.
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| Quote: dally messenger "if you want a reasonable debate with me ill need more than that. sorry.'"
Yes, you'll need a brain for one thing. |
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| Quote: Hedgehog King "It is pretty clear that what is considered "heartlands" in England and France is pretty different from "heartlands" in Australia.
There would be virtually no towns whatsoever in Europe that are heartlands by the standards of Australia.
Perth is an AFL state but rugby league has a strong minority presence. "Strong minority" presence in Europe would make that a heartland area but not in Australia.'"
your not too bad.
here ill start :
when it comes to heartlands, theres a range of extremes.
at one end of the spectrum there are very succesful heartland clubs like wigan or leeds. even in a country dominated by soccer, RL holds its own in these places
at the other extreme are places where RL has never had a presence, like some random towns in the south of england or most of europe
in between those 2 extremes sit different clubs
halifax are certainly a heartland club
gateshead are a failed expansion club |
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| Quote: dally messenger "your not too bad.
here ill start
Leeds is not a particularly heartland area. It is certainly is heartlands but not to the extent of Wigan, Hull or the "rhubarb triangle".
Leeds is just one of the biggest cities in the UK, the de facto capital of Yorkshire and has a struggling soccer club. That's why their attendences are so high, as a percentage of the population people are far more interested in rugby league in many of the towns srrounding Leeds.
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