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| Quote Cronus="Cronus"Exactly. Penalty tries are given on the presumption the attacker would have scored without illegal interference.
Seeing as that's the case here, it should have been a penalty try.
Let me spell it out. If you remove Fox from the situation, the hugely massively overwhelming probability, pretty much a guarantee, is that Hodgson - with the ball safely in his hands and travelling over the line in a safe direction - will score. Fox tackles him ILLEGALLY and Hodgson ONLY fails to land cleanly or ground the ball due to Fox tackling him IN THE AIR and pushing him into touch. Without Fox, none of that would have happened.
I'd have been interested to see the reaction if Hodgson had taken out Fox in the exact same circumstances.'"
The last sentence says it all. If it was the other way round every hull KR fan would be saying it should have been a penalty try. I'm not saying the KR fans are making things up, just that they are ( obviously ) biased as any fan would be towards thier own team. I doubt there are many neutrals who would disagree that a penalty try should have been awarded!
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| Quote Nozzy="Nozzy"The last sentence says it all. If it was the other way round every hull KR fan would be saying it should have been a penalty try. I'm not saying the KR fans are making things up, just that they are ( obviously ) biased as any fan would be towards thier own team. I doubt there are many neutrals who would disagree that a penalty try should have been awarded!'"
Despite 3 Super League coaches stating they thought it was a legal tackle!
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| Quote Barney Stinson="Barney Stinson"Despite 3 Super League coaches stating they thought it was a legal tackle!'"
Yep, you can't tackle somebody whilst he's still in the air. He did, therefore penalty.
He commited this penalty whilst Hodgson was in the act of scoring. If he hadn't commited that penalty then I would say (with the evidence available) that the overwhelming probablility was that he would have scored. So IMO a penalty offence was commited that directly stopped an almost certain try. So a penalty try should have been awarded.
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| He went for the ball it's a contact sport what do you want him to do?
You cant tackle a player in the air
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| so hudds did nothing wrong all game then and was good little soldiers bull s'@t
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| Wow, what a way to miss the point of the debate.
The three coaches showed perhaps whats wrong with English RL...they dont actually know the rules!
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| I will have to wait and watch it on SKY but i think that both decisions should have been penalties possibly with sin binnings.
I remain sceptical about them being penalty tries as the rules stand because you almost never see them in RL. I think their needs to be clarification on this and that a professional foul to stop a try scoring situation should probably be a penalty try.
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| Quote Cronus="Cronus"Exactly. Penalty tries are given on the presumption the attacker would have scored without illegal interference.
Seeing as that's the case here, it should have been a penalty try.
Let me spell it out. If you remove Fox from the situation, the hugely massively overwhelming probability, pretty much a guarantee, is that Hodgson - with the ball safely in his hands and travelling over the line in a safe direction - will score. Fox tackles him ILLEGALLY and Hodgson ONLY fails to land cleanly or ground the ball due to Fox tackling him IN THE AIR and pushing him into touch. Without Fox, none of that would have happened.
I'd have been interested to see the reaction if Hodgson had taken out Fox in the exact same circumstances.'"
I've had a think about this and I think you're correct. The referee ('s VR and on field) has to find a reason that it's [inot[/i a try. Hodgson pretty much [idid[/i score a try with what was (I think) illegal interference (suffered with that myself, counselling cast a flipping fortune). As a Rovers fan, I'll take the draw!
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If it was the other way round every hull KR fan would be saying it should have been a penalty try. '"
Probably not.
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| You can apparently also be 5 miles offside as in the case of Lolesi and be allowed to play on to rob a draw
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| Quote MrPhilb="MrPhilb"You can apparently also be 5 miles offside as in the case of Lolesi and be allowed to play on to rob a draw'"
Agreed. He would have had to make 14 meters in one second to be able to catch that ball whilst onside. Still, we were very lucky with both calls, as IMO both should have been penalty tries.
Still, if anyone said to me we'd get a draw tonight I'd have snapped their arm off. I'm certain we will finish top 8 now.
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| its a problem with the rules rather than the ruling in my opinion.
Hodgeson was almost certain to score, almost being the important word. He wasnt certain to score so a penalty try cannot be given, Fox blatantly and deliberatly fouled a player to stop them scoring, but as they werent in the act of doing so, a penalty try cant be given. Its a stupid rule that makes it in Fox's best interest to commit foul play to stop a player scoring but those are the rules.
I would rather see the ruling be a player committing deliberate act of foul play to stop a player scoring a try as a penalty try, but that isnt the ruling. so we have to accept it was the right ruling, even if the rule is clearly wrong
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| On the Galea tackle off the ball situation...Brown is not certain to gather the ball cleanly and score, the player that grounded the ball did so on the dead ball line anyway so even if play on were to be given it would have been a 20mtr restart.
As for the tackle in the air, it hasn't been donkey's years at all that this rule about tackling and attacking player in the air is illegal, I did my coaching badge around 6yrs ago and it was certainly the case then and I have the rule book that the RFL provided me with to prove this!!!!!
And now looking back around 4minutes, neither of these decisions should have mattered as Lolesi should have been penalised for being offside, Rovers would have kicked for touch making the 20mtr line and then the pressure is back on Huddersfield at the wrong end of the field for them! Not only do the two penalty try none decisions not matter Rovers were also robbed of the 2pts by an inept touch judge.
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