cos we don't need another back row forward..we've got plenty...and plenty better than heighington..if he can't make the shower of shi'ite NSW pack....what would he bring to ours??

To be fair to Heighington it's a disgrace he hasn't been selected for Origin... he has been one of the form NSW forwards for a couple pf years

Agree though that he wouldn't add too much to England - would be a squad player in English, probably not the 17 and definitely not the 13

S Tomkins
R Atkins
M Shenton
C Bridge
R Hall
D McGuire
K Eastmond
J Graham
K Sinfield
A Morley
S Burgess
G Ellis
S O'Loughlin

J Roby
E Crabtree
A Lynch
J Tomkins

Selecting an England side is a pointless exercise.

They'll never beat Australia to win a series or competition until they are able to select an almost full squad of players whose playing careers are in the NRL.

Oh why dont we just give up now then and not bother heading to Australia this autumn?

Playing in the NRL doesnt automatically make you a star player, hence why Flannagan hasnt so far been picked despite the fact he plays 1st grade for the Wests.

Or we could try harder to get our playing standards and coaching up to the Austrailian level?

1.Widdop
2.Broughton
3.Smith
4.Shenton
5.Hall
6.Maguire
7.Tomkins
8.Graham
9.Roby
10.Burgess
11.J Tomkins
12.Ellis
13.Sinfield

14.Eastmond
15.Harrison
16.Morley
17.Manu

i don't see how widdop is first choice for most people. how many people have actually seen him play regularly this year, he's only played 2 first team games for melbourne.. it's like picking johnny lomax at full back, whose played more first team games than widdop.. personally i'd pick wellens and briscoe in front of widdop

my team:

1 - Tomkins
2 - Hall
3 - Shenton
4 - Gleeson
5 - Riley
6 - Pryce (if fit, mcguire if not)
7 - Eastmond
8 - Graham
9 - Roby
10 - Morley
11 - S Burgess
12 - Ellis
13 - O Loughlin

14 - Lunt
15 - Lynch
16 - Westwood
17 - Fielden

other players in squad - darrell goulding, joel tomkins, luke burgess.. can't really think of anymore!!

what does say something about england though is on the way to the crusaders match, we where discussing the signing of shenton, who on here is there or thereabouts for the England first choice centre.. and we weren't thinking "wow what a signing" more of "i think he'll do well" - sort of says it all about the england team

sorry that should've read i'd have wellens, briscoe and tomkins ahead of him..

1 - Tomkins
2 - Briscoe
3 - Bridge
4 - Shenton
5 - Hall
6 - McGuire
7 - Eastmond
8 - Morley
9 - Lunt
10 - Graham
11 - Tomkins
12 - Ellis
13 - O'Loughlin

14 - Roby
15 - Burgess
16 - Westwood
17 - Crabtree

no sinfield and a benched burgess.....lol

S Tomkins
T Briscoe
Atkins
Shenton
Hall
McGuire
Eastmond
Morley
Sinfield
Graham
Ellis
Westwood
O' Loughlin

Roby
Burgess
Lynch
J Tomkins

He will have to play prop with peacock out so two start from burgess, graham or Morley. The other starts on the bench. Neither are gonna play 80 minutes at that level on the front row and I don't think it matters too much which start and which don't.

1 - Widdop
2 - Briscoe
3 - Shenton
4 - Atkins
5 - Hall
6 - Tomkins
7 - Eastmond
8 - Morley
9 - Roby
10 - Graham
11 - Burgess
12 - Ellis
13 - O'loughlin
14 - Sinfield
15 - Harrison
16 - Tomkins
17 - Fielden