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| Quote ="Tre Cool"Why is being 'Newcastle' preferable to being 'Gateshead'?
Newcastle: population 280200, 2 x elite pro-football clubs
Gateshead: population 200200, 0 x elite pro-football clubs'"
Go the whole hog and rebrand Tyneside Thunder.
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| Disagree : let's keep the marketing simple. Thanks (partly) to a Mr Wilkinson and his boot, Newcastle has a rugby ethos that we could use. The superb efforts of the RL activists in Gateshead cannot be ignored but there is a potential in Newcastle we cannot ignore.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"I believe for the game to grow it needs to be much bigger in the whole of the North/Midlands and not just the M62 corridor. The clue of expansion is in the word itself. You don't just pick the capital city about 200 miles away and say 'capital city, loads of people, let's expand'. I think it needs more teams with a high profile within reach of the epicentre. There are loads across the M62 but it needs more up and down the M1 and A1. Think of it more in terms of creep than expansion. If we could get competitive teams in York, Newcastle, Derby, Nottingham, Leicester etc then the game would be a much more attractive proposition further afield. Those who know very little about the game will never be bothered while ever it is stuck along the M62. If the game and the successful promotion of it started to creep to the cities previously mentioned, people might start to take notice.'"
Completely agree. I think as a sport we should be doing more to create more players at grassroots level, by getting the sport played in more schools and creating more strong amateur clubs in these areas.
It sounds like Gateshead have done a good job in the North East, with 14 amateur clubs up there, which can all feed into Thunder.
There are still some big towns/cities close by that the RFL should focus on. The ones you mentioned, plus Sheffield & Manchester, which for the size of them have very few clubs, Liverpool too.
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| After the challenges that particular club has had, it would be brilliant to see some level of success at Thunder.
If that's getting into the Championship and no further then so be it.
The people at the club work super hard as it is, so this will be no more of a challenge than keeping the club alive.
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"Why is being 'Newcastle' preferable to being 'Gateshead'?
Newcastle: population 280200, 2 x elite pro-football clubs
Gateshead: population 200200, 0 x elite pro-football clubs'"
Because to start with those population figures are incorrect.
If you're taking just the city/town boundaries then it's:
Newcastle 280k
Gateshead 78k
But if you're taking what most people understand as Newcastle which includes the area around it, in the same way as when people talk about London they don't mean just the City of London, then Newcastle's population jumps to well over 1m.
Those people associate themselves with the large regional centre that is Newcastle. And even if they don't they're far more likely to associate themselves with that regional centre than they are a relatively small town somewhere else in that region.
It's also not like Gateshead has a significant fan base or following that would be put off by a name change. And since they will be actually moving out of Gateshead and into Newcastle I personally think it would be daft not to change the name.
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| Quote ="Alex Mc"Gateshead are already in super league masquerading as Hull F.C....'"
Aye, that was the new merged team in 1999 wasn't it ?
Has it been 150 years already....lol
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| Quote ="Him"Because to start with those population figures are incorrect.
If you're taking just the city/town boundaries then it's:
Newcastle 280k
Gateshead 78k
But if you're taking what most people understand as Newcastle which includes the area around it, in the same way as when people talk about London they don't mean just the City of London, then Newcastle's population jumps to well over 1m.
Those people associate themselves with the large regional centre that is Newcastle. And even if they don't they're far more likely to associate themselves with that regional centre than they are a relatively small town somewhere else in that region.
It's also not like Gateshead has a significant fan base or following that would be put off by a name change. And since they will be actually moving out of Gateshead and into Newcastle I personally think it would be daft not to change the name.'"
I also would use the Newcastle name, they are passionate about the city and sport. If it could be linked to the Football club as well, all the better. People who don't know the area, don't realise just what a big step crossing the Tyne is, either way, they are poles a part...
A team of magpies would fly I'm sure.....
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"This is in the category of dreamtime perhaps, but imagine a Super League bereft of Widnes and Castleford, which did have [iNewcastle, London, Bradford[/i, and [iToulouse[/i.
Wow!
People from the non-M62 parts of the world, especially journalists, might then stop sneering at Super League.'"
You talk about the non-M62 parts of the country and then suggest Bradford .. Have you seen a map of the UK at all????
Why Bradford over Castleford or Widnes? What makes them more worthy? 3 towns/cities that are all sitting on the M62 so why suggest that dumping 2 of them in favour of one that has shown no greater ability to successfully manage a team in recent years?
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| So "North East Thunder" then?
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| Quote ="Fordy"You talk about the non-M62 parts of the country and then suggest Bradford .. Have you seen a map of the UK at all????
Why Bradford over Castleford or Widnes? What makes them more worthy? 3 towns/cities that are all sitting on the M62 so why suggest that dumping 2 of them in favour of one that has shown no greater ability to successfully manage a team in recent years?'"
That's a pretty short memory
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"That's a pretty short memory'"
10 years now is it?
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Meanwhile watch the four PNG players start smashing the defenses of the other Championship One clubs. Winger Garry Lo in particular -- the next Marcus Bai -- is going to accumulate a lot of tries. These PNG players are a cut above the playing standard of Championship One.
I fully expect a steady stream of young PNG talents will want to join their compatriots at Newcastle/Gateshead before too long.'"
Interesting point. There is quite a conveyor-belt of talent in PNG.
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| With the open promotion surely all teams are now aiming for SL.
Aiming and getting there are two completely different things
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| Quote ="moto748"Interesting point. There is quite a conveyor-belt of talent in PNG.'"
Define talent?
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"10 years now is it?'"
a whole 8 since they were world champions
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| Call me a detective but if you go on to their squad page the tab at the top of the web browser changes to Newcastle Thunder ...
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"a whole 8 since they were world champions'"
So not recent then.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"So not recent then.'"
as i say, short memories.
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| Quote ="moto748"Interesting point. There is quite a conveyor-belt of talent in PNG.'"
Stanley Gene is the magnet, and as such can lure and inspire more players from PNG than anyone else.
I hope that Gateshead-Newcastle has quality in all the key players in the spine, and good props other than 106 kg Mark Mexico, so that the likes of the flying 106kg express train winger Garry Lo can do their stuff.
The PNG centre Tali clocks on at 98 kg but his centre partner Joseph Brown registers only 82kg, which is flimsy lightweight for a centre.
What I am suggesting here is that perhaps Gateshead's prospects will depend too much on the talent of the PNG players.
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| Gateshead's prospects depend on, should they ever get to the holyland again, not having an owner who will sell the ..... oops sorry....."merge" the club with a wealthier one thats gotten into trouble.
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| Quote ="CrusaderPete"Gateshead's prospects depend on, should they ever get to the holyland again, not having an owner who will sell the ..... oops sorry....."merge" the club with a wealthier one thats gotten into trouble.'"
In fairness, Gateshead were themselves financially sunk.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"So not recent then.'"
You're obsessed let it lie.
We only equalled your record for number of times in admin (within the superleague) and now we're not in it you could go one further and stand as outright champions of administration again.
Plus with us not there anymore you only have Cas to challenge your standing as having the Superleague's test ground!
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"You're obsessed let it lie.
We only equalled your record for number of times in admin (within the superleague) and now we're not in it you could go one further and stand as outright champions of administration again.
Plus with us not there anymore you only have Cas to challenge your standing as having the Superleague's test ground!'"
WTF?
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| Quote ="Clearwing"In fairness, Gateshead were themselves financially sunk.'"
Perhaps, but as a SL entity, could attract some investment to help out, possibly even a sale to an owner/co-owner who's plans were not a relegation avoidance dance for another "bigger" club!
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