Only a ginger can call another ginger ginger
Only a ginger can call another ginger ginger

When you are a ginger life is pretty hard
Years of ritual bullying in the school yard
Kids calling you ranga and fanta pants
No invitation to the high school dance
But you get up and learn to hold your head up
You try to keep your cool and not get het up
But until the feeling of it's is truly let up
And the word is ours and ours alone don't you know

Only a ginger can call another ginger ginger
Only a ginger can call another ginger ginger
So if you call us ginge we just might come unhinged
If you don't have a fringe with at least a tinge of the ginge
Only a ginger can call another ginger ginger
Just like only a ninja can sneak up on another ninja.

Now listen to me when I am looking for sympathy
Just because we're sensitive to UV
Just because we're pathetically pale
We do alright with the females
Yeah I like to ask the ladies round for ginger beer
And soon their running their fingers through my ginger beard
And dunking my ginger nuts into their ginger tea
And asking if they can call me ginge
And I say "I don't think that's appropriate - it's gingerphobic".

Sorry, couldn't help it.

I don't want to get drawn into the "ginger" debate but here is clear evidence that extreme prejudice, hatred and intolerence exists in many forms not merely due to race, religion or sexual preference.

rlhttps://menmedia.co.uk/news/s/1023950_final_tribute_to_murdered_goth_rl

What bothers me about your argument Smokey is that you are quite vociferous in your condemnation of one form of prejudice and merely dismiss the notion that other forms of prejudice exist.

Because Leeds are guilty of the form he's trying to defend.

But as everyone knows, there's one rule for Leeds & another rule for everyone else.

Has Graham ever given you cause to believe he does? Thomas has!

and regardless, it is unimportant if you believe homophobic chanting and chanter ginger at Graham are the same, the fact leeds fans chanted about Graham in no way mitigates the homophobic chanting at Cas. It doesnt make it any better or any more acceptable, nor does it makes Castlefords fine wrong.

I didn't realise the RFLs respect policy only covered minority groups who had been murdered. I thought a respect policy would be equal to all. Maybe rlthis man who was stabbed for being gingerrl should have been killed and then SmokeyTA would give the nod for us to stop disrespecting ginger haired people.

The RFL have a respect policy, butit isn't just about respecting gays because they still are being persecuted in other countries. It's all about respect and right down to grass roots rugby league is trying to change peoples old ways. Calling GT a poof is as hurtful and disrespecting as it is calling JG a ginger barsteward.

CTRLFC were fined for not taking the correct action after GT (or anyone else in the crowd) was offended. Similarly this should apply to the rest of the RL world, including ginger haired.

Just because you dismiss it as "banter" doesn't mean the next person wouldn't be offended.

Correct, but it also means Leeds should get the same fine for failing to control the crowd, just like Cas did.

whilst it does, and it is a terrible thing all the same, it is a much rarer occurrence because of this much rarer prejudice

oh, i fully acknowledge it exists, just at nowhere near the same level.

you however drew this parallel before the offence occurred, Seems strange for you to be making the point leeds should be fined before the offence occured?

Doesn't matter to what level it exists; it still does exist and therefore it should be just as punishable. I don't mean the same level of fine but at least a warning.

Erm what? All of this was started after the 3rd chant, which clearly shows Leeds did not do enough to stop the chanting (Cas drowned out 2 of the 3 chants at Thomas with the RFL Respect CD, Leeds did not, you could hear the PA), Cas got fined for not stopping the chanting even though they tried, Leeds did not try, therefore a fine.

i dont think you should disrespect anyone. I however understand the power behind certain words and actions and how the are indicative of certain attitudes.

But you almost found an example there, but not quite



no, but it is indicative of the more serious nature of Homophobia compared to the relatively trivial anti-gingerism


no, it isnt.

no, they werent.

Just because you dismiss it as "banter" doesn't mean the next person wouldn't be offended.'"

i wouldnt disagree, i would hope all clubs would endeavour to cut out all offensive chants, however minor some may consider them, but they will obviously be on a sliding scale of importance and priority.

Spot on. We're being told that ginerism is just banter, because it suits their argument, yet anything racist or homophobic is a no go. It's quite pathetic and is the same attitude people had years ago with black people and gays.

To simply dismiss the point becaus they don't think it is offencive is disgusting. If the RFLs respect policy is all about picking and choosing who they protect then it's absolute bull. But as brayton has mentioned, the RFLs respect policy goes right back to grass roots rugby and includes such things as bullying ginger people. The RFL has set the bar. No one at Cas (at least in the whole) are saying that homophobic chanting is ok. But you cannot pick and choose who you are going to fine when there is little respect on the terraces all through RL, wether it be racism, homobhobic or gingerisms.

No, the issue of anti-ginger chanting was something brought in before the Leeds match even started

and again, you seem to not have even bothered reading what Cas actually got fined for