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| Leeds fans quite clearly chanting "There's only one ginger B*****d" at James Graham. Chants are lasting longer and by more fans than the chanting at the Cas ground against Crusaders.
So when will this come before the RFL?
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| Quote: tb "Does it breach rlthisrl distinct policy, part of the RFL Respect policy and advertised widely throughout the game?
No.
The two or not comparable. Cas's defence is not that homophobic chanting is acceptable, or no big thing – it's that we took reasonable steps against it, proportionate to the actual incident. Judging solely by the club.s statement announcing its appeal, it seems we have an arguable case. Whether we have a winning case we shall wait and see.
Pretending that homophobia is just normal banter, or it's somehow Gareth Thomas's for for not 'taking it like a man', or that the RFL is singling us out for breaching a policy we all knew about (I recall there was a thread on the Cas board when the policy was announced) doesn't strengthen that case, it weakens it.'"
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| I'm not at all suggesting this, tb, and completely blame the idiots who gave abuse to Thomas for the situation that we now find ourselve in.
However, I think it is a reasonable comparison to make. The accusation that Cas failed to take action to firstly prevent and then stop the chanting I feel is unfair, but I would be interested to see what steps the Rhinos have done to prevent abusive chanting and then deal with this when it has occured in comparison to us, as the abusive chanting has continued throught the first half I'd suggest the club have done nothing to try and stop it. We were also criticised for failing to take action against the perpetrators, will the Rhinos be investigating and taking action against anyone found to have chanted foul-mouthed abuse at Graham?
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| E-mail to RFL:
"Dear sir/madam,
I am writing to complain about the consistent abusive and expletive-littered chanting directed towards St Helen's player Jame Graham in the first half of the above game. This game is being broadcast on national television, and is therefore being watched across the country by people of all ages, including children.
I first heard this abusive and expletive chant 6 minutes and 38 seconds into the game, and twice again before half time. Did the Leeds Rhinos club issue a statement to the crowd before the game to take steps to avoid such chanting? Nor between the abusive chants did I hear any announcment made to the crowd to try and stop the abusive chanting (the PA system can be heard when all other announcements are made) once it had occured after six minutes nor at any other time, despite the chanting being clearly audible to the TV audience and therefore within the stadium.
As I am currently watching the television with my daughter, I am unable to watch the remainder of the game as I do not wish her to hear such foul and abusive language. I hope that the Leeds Rhinos take steps to identify those responsible for the chanting and take action against them.
I would appreciate your response to this issue, and would be particularly interested to hear details of the steps that Leeds Rhinos have taken to firstly prevent and secondly the steps taken by the club to respond to this abusive chanting which in unacceptable in any sport."
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| Quote: nottinghamtiger "E-mail to RFL
What's the email address?
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| If that had been cas fans chanting that at graham our fans would get pulled from pillow to post.
Were the steward trying to prevent the chanting, have the club done enough to quell it. Was the respect CD played. Mmmm i wonder.
We are all under the same rules and regulations, or are we.
I'll be waiting with bated breath to see what the outcome comes of this.
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| Sent an email off myself now, including a complaint about the abuse at 61 minutes towards Richard Silverwood, which is surely against the RFL respect policy?
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| Quote: nottinghamtiger "I'm not at all suggesting this, tb, and completely blame the idiots who gave abuse to Thomas for the situation that we now find ourselve in.
However, I think it is a reasonable comparison to make. The accusation that Cas failed to take action to firstly prevent and then stop the chanting I feel is unfair, but I would be interested to see what steps the Rhinos have done to prevent abusive chanting and then deal with this when it has occured in comparison to us, as the abusive chanting has continued throught the first half I'd suggest the club have done nothing to try and stop it. We were also criticised for failing to take action against the perpetrators, will the Rhinos be investigating and taking action against anyone found to have chanted foul-mouthed abuse at Graham?'"
is it really the same?
have the same things happened in the name of homophobia as anti-gingerism?
are people being murdered because they are ginger right now like they are because of homophobia?
has there being real and actual discrimination against gingers on a wide scale like there has homophobia?
are there countries where there is a death penalty for being ginger like there is for being gay?
was it against the law to be ginger only 50+ years ago like it was to be gay?
are there still legal differences between being ginger and not ginger like there is even now between homosexual and heterosexual couples?]
can gingers give blood? gays cant, apparently there is something wrong with 'gay blood'
can gingers get married? can Gays?
has it been in only the last decade that gingers have been allowed to serve in the military? Gays couldnt
Adopt? Gays couldnt
get IVF?Gays couldnt
knowing these things, can you honestly say that anti-gingerism is as serious, widespread and damaging as homophobia
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "knowing these things, can you honestly say that anti-gingerism is as serious, widespread and damaging as homophobia'"
Yes, people get murdered and shunned for being ginger, so it's a big problem, and the Leeds club did nothing to stop the chanting.
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| Quote: Gaslight "Yes, people get murdered and shunned for being ginger, so it's a big problem, and the Leeds club did nothing to stop the chanting.'"
have you some examples of anti ginger murders?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "is it really the same?
have the same things happened in the name of homophobia as anti-gingerism?
are people being murdered because they are ginger right now like they are because of homophobia?
has there being real and actual discrimination against gingers on a wide scale like there has homophobia?
are there countries where there is a death penalty for being ginger like there is for being gay?
was it against the law to be ginger only 50+ years ago like it was to be gay?
are there still legal differences between being ginger and not ginger like there is even now between homosexual and heterosexual couples?]
can gingers give blood? gays cant, apparently there is something wrong with 'gay blood'
can gingers get married? can Gays?
has it been in only the last decade that gingers have been allowed to serve in the military? Gays couldnt
Adopt? Gays couldnt
get IVF?Gays couldnt
knowing these things, can you honestly say that anti-gingerism is as serious, widespread and damaging as homophobia'"
I think you have missed the point. Cas didn't get fined because the chanting was homophobic, they were fined for failing to take steps to prevent or stop abusive chanting. The chanting aimed at Graham was abusive and contained foul language, I'm questioning whether Leeds had taken steps to prevent this or respond to it?
And to make it clear, I do not condone any abusive chanting. However, nor do I condone unfairness and in this case the procedure should be the same.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "have you some examples of anti ginger murders?'"
And it seems google don't have any reports but there have been a few news reports of ginger haired people being killed for being ginger./committed suicide on the back of hate campaigns.
Quote: SmokeyTA "I think you have missed the point. Cas didn't get fined because the chanting was homophobic, they were fined for failing to take steps to prevent or stop abusive chanting. The chanting aimed at Graham was abusive and contained foul language, I'm questioning whether Leeds had taken steps to prevent this or respond to it?
And to make it clear, I do not condone any abusive chanting. However, nor do I condone unfairness and in this case the procedure should be the same.'"
This, don't control your crowd get a fine, the precedent has now been set, stick to it RFL.
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| Quote: Gaslight "www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-459182/Red-headed-family-forced-ginger-hate-campaign.html - forced to move after HATE campaign
And it seems google don't have any reports but there have been a few news reports of ginger haired people being killed for being ginger./committed suicide on the back of hate campaigns.
This, don't control your crowd get a fine, the precedent has now been set, stick to it RFL.'"
so no then?
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