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| My vote goes for Hall and Briscoe, know how to work well with each other being together at leeds, Briscoe is strong, good in the air from the kick and very aware of his surroundings, very rarely see him being caught out by the sideline. Hall has better vision than most other wingers around in my opinion, always finds the hole in the line, good footwork to compliment it.
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| Hall plus any of the options mentioned works for me. I think Briscoe probably pips the others, if Mackinson had played the full season I suspect he might have moved ahead of Briscoe in my pecking order based on the way he's been going last couple of seasons.
A lot of it depends on who will be fullback. Hardaker should probably get the nod but If Samwise Tomkins is fullback then Hardaker would be my choice on the other wing.
My centres would be Watkins plus Reed for this series, but I see Watkins and Percival as a long term centre partnership for England.
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| Quote: Biff Tannen "Hall number one by a distance.I would go Burgess but Briscoe and Makinson wouldn't be far away either.
Hudds. Fans talking up Mcgillvary obviously, and he has proved to be a good club winger scoring plenty of tries but I'm not so sure i can see him making the step up so easily against the big 2.Charnley is a case in point, prolific for Wigan but looks average at best when put up against the big boys.Guess we may see in a couple of months, Mac may pick him as i agree his form is very good.'"
So what you are saying is that no matter how well a player is playing he shouldn't be picked above another player who's playing an average game every week as he's unproven at international level---- if the coach takes that view we are going to run out of players pretty quick. - or perhaps you mean only if they don't play for Leeds, Wigan or saints......
Fwiw I don't think mcgilvary should play for England as his defence is a weakness- but on this seasons form he's better than most, and certainly no worse than the rest.
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| Briscoe and McGilvary, if we can't give the latter a go then it's a poor do. Those saying Hall hasn't had much in the way of scoring tries and that's somehow the yardstick...sheesh.
Sorry but Charnley is down the pecking order for me, he was bang average in the World Cup and lucky to retain his place, he doesn't offer as much as McGilvary IMHO
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| Has anyone even suggested Charnley? Burgess and Manfredi now are infront of him at Wigan.
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Briscoe and McGilvary, if we can't give the latter a go then it's a poor do. Those saying Hall hasn't had much in the way of scoring tries and that's somehow the yardstick...sheesh.
Sorry but Charnley is down the pecking order for me, he was bang average in the World Cup and lucky to retain his place, he doesn't offer as much as McGilvary IMHO'"
Hall is my number 1 wing pick because of his all round game. I think he offers a bit more than any of the other names that have been mentioned. He my have scored less than some of the others but I wouldn't make a decision like this based on tries scored alone.
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| Going by his decision making in Catalan those arguing hall has big game experience perhaps need a rethink. Hall has done nothing this season to suggest he is better at anything than the others. He doesn't have the pace he had, others can finish just as well so what exactly is it people think he has ABOVE the others. Can't just pick him because he has experience if that's the only thing he offers!!!!
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| Quote: jools "Going by his decision making in Catalan those arguing hall has big game experience perhaps need a rethink. Hall has done nothing this season to suggest he is better at anything than the others. He doesn't have the pace he had, others can finish just as well so what exactly is it people think he has ABOVE the others. Can't just pick him because he has experience if that's the only thing he offers!!!!'"
Hall has been excellent this season for Leeds. Just because you want a Huddersfield player in don't make stuff up about Hall.
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| Quote: Him "Hall has been excellent this season for Leeds. Just because you want a Huddersfield player in don't make stuff up about Hall.'"
......says the one making stuff up about who I want in- please read previous posts before posting drivel. Hall has been poor compared to previous years. Briscoe hS been better. You Still haven't said what hall offers ABOVE the others apart from he's been there before.....
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| Quote: South Coast RL "I like the ON CURRENT FORM is nice and bold in the hope that a player from the OP's club will be picked.
Form is only a factor in international selection. Form is temporary, class is permanent. Experience counts for a lot as do other factors such as influence in the dressing room and performances in past internationals.
For me Ryan Hall has to be picked, he may not (by his own very high standards) of had his best season but past international performance guarantees selection.
That leaves the other side. I'd pick Burgess. I think he is class and will kick on to be one of the worlds best. He has a proper rugby brain and has the knack of being in the right place at the right time. I understand the arguments to go for an all Leeds back 3 with the understanding they have. Briscoe would be in my squad.
McGillvary is on top form but IMO not quite in the class of Hall, Burgess and Briscoe.'"
Of course it has to be on form, if a player is not performing well how long do you keep him in the international team because of 'past international performance's ? 1 year, 2 years, 3, years ??
Obviously i'm going to champion Jerry as he's a massive favourite of mine and is also the form winger is the game, and has been playing very well for a good 3/4 years now, how good does a player have to play to get a call-up ?
I also think Briscoe and Burgess are superb players too thats why i wanted to see what other people's thoughts were !
I'm not suggesting Hall should be dropped btw, i rate him highly and obviously he will be picked regardless but it's interesting to note that McGillvary's stats smash his !!
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| Quote: jools "Going by his decision making in Catalan those arguing hall has big game experience perhaps need a rethink. '"
Today wasn't a big game.
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| Quote: loiner81 "Today wasn't a big game.'"
A game in which Leeds could potentially have secured 1st place isn't a big game anymore?
I also find it funny that the people who say Hall has to be in the team because of past performances think that this only applies to the wing positions and not the FB position. FB must be picked on form but wing on past performance.
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| Quote: Wigg'n "Has anyone even suggested Charnley? Burgess and Manfredi now are infront of him at Wigan.'"
My point being that a high scoring winger from a 'popular' team at or near the top of the league shouldn't be a gimme, Charnley was a prime example of that. Burgess whilst great against lacklustre SL defences and scoring plenty of tries quite possibly in the same way Charnley wasn't, might not be up to spec against the likes of NZ and Australia. Can you not see the similarities between the two situations?
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| Before uncorking the champagne let's remember the Aussies & Kiwis might just easily steamroller the lot.
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| Quote: jimlav "A game in which Leeds could potentially have secured 1st place isn't a big game anymore? '"
No they couldn't have secured top spot and Leeds clearly weren't fired up for it, for whatever reason. Not to take anything away from Catalans, who were on fire and would've beaten anyone yesterday, but I get the feeling Leeds have been taking it easy in training since Wembley. Fully expect them to ramp it up for next week and the semis though.
Quote: jimlav "I also find it funny that the people who say Hall has to be in the team because of past performances think that this only applies to the wing positions and not the FB position. FB must be picked on form but wing on past performance.'"
Wigan fans are funny.
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