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Whatever the right answer is, my non-heartland friends who are also sport enthusiasts have no interest in the game because it all seems a bizarre carry on to them

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Gradually the RFL will de generate our game into one of insignificance with very little marketing and media presence. Richard Lewis did the same thing with British Tennis around 2003 were he turned the sport into 3rd world status.
The RFL are very good at changing the rules to sweep things under the carpet, the franchise system is basically a "glossy brochure" with deep problems under the surface.
What the "voiced clubs" are concerned about is how are they supposed to generate backers and sponsorship when the RFL themselves cannot market the game and increase media stature. The Stobart deal promising (Wood) benefits to the game of £2.5 million is just make believe.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Jonesy "750K to be a Major Sponsor?

I Know that Manly were getting that from Pepsi a decade ago + bonuses.
Its a sign of things to come.'"


Daren't tell you what the Tri-Nations and then 4 Nations sponsorship was sold to Gillette for then....... d040.gif
RL commands 5%-10% of the sports pages at best and gets a couple for 250k-300k viewed programmes in the UK and then gets about 1,000,000 pairs of eyes fro the CC final...once a year.
750k for sponsorship of the main division would be about right......

BTW...Manly may well have got 750k from Pepsi a decade a go........it's 750k more than cronulla have managed to nail down this year.... c020.gif

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I voted (a) to be controversial. OOOOoooOOOooOOoooOOooOOO

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It's amazing to see how many of you have your heads in the sand.

Tthe sport is now in a really precarious position. The 14 club Super League is clearly unsustainable and the Championship clubs are either struggling through every season hoping for a better future that isn't coming or being bankrolled by benefactor's who's passing or loss of interest will see the end of the club.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Saddened! "It's amazing to see how many of you have your heads in the sand.

Tthe sport is now in a really precarious position. The 14 club Super League is clearly unsustainable and the Championship clubs are either struggling through every season hoping for a better future that isn't coming or being bankrolled by benefactor's who's passing or loss of interest will see the end of the club.'"



Would you have us return to the pre-SKYTV money days? Fine by me....London had about 1,000 less fans but at least we were competative in out league icon_biggrin.gifAISY:

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Quote: Judder Man "Gradually the RFL will de generate our game into one of insignificance with very little marketing and media presence. Richard Lewis did the same thing with British Tennis around 2003 were he turned the sport into 3rd world status.
The RFL are very good at changing the rules to sweep things under the carpet, the franchise system is basically a "glossy brochure" with deep problems under the surface.
What the "voiced clubs" are concerned about is how are they supposed to generate backers and sponsorship when the RFL themselves cannot market the game and increase media stature. The Stobart deal promising (Wood) benefits to the game of £2.5 million is just make believe.'"

Let's go back to pre-Lewis then. It was a far better time. I believe the year was 2001. There hadn't been relegation for a few years also. The World Cup had just cost the game millions, sending it nearly bankrupt. Two expansion sides were forced to merge with heartlands sides. The game had failed in France. The international team were still crap. The media coverage was less existent than now. The Sky deal had been reduced in money. We got knack-all from sponsors even then. Players were still going to RU such as Robinson and Harris.

Was Lewis the reason for all of them as well?

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Quote: Wellsy13 "Let's go back to pre-Lewis then. It was a far better time. I believe the year was 2001. There hadn't been relegation for a few years also. The World Cup had just cost the game millions, sending it nearly bankrupt. Two expansion sides were forced to merge with heartlands sides. The game had failed in France. The international team were still crap. The media coverage was less existent than now. The Sky deal had been reduced in money. We got knack-all from sponsors even then. Players were still going to RU such as Robinson and Harris.

Was Lewis the reason for all of them as well?'"


Why go back to pre Lewis. We need an RFL that can raise the profile of rugby league through marketing and media. Sport is now a business and global product, Lewis and Wood can,t grasp that, that's why we can,t find a creditable blue chip sponsor to come on board to our flag ship competion.
Lewis and Wood sound like funeral directors who are undertaking ideals without transparency. I agree with some of the club chairmen who have voiced there opinion and are a bit closer to the concerns, rather than Lewis and Wood who can,t see beyond there own back yard.
Maybe we should get Sir Alan Sugar to study the business model, the probable result ................Lewis and Wood you,re FIRED.

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Rugby League is a great product and has the sky viewing figures to prove this. A good question is do the RFL make the most of this?

I think they score about 3/10 for this.

It pains me to say this, but just look how the wigan club market games, the first TV advert for a game, "the big one" has more coverage to most people than the magic weekend does!

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Quote: Judder Man "Why go back to pre Lewis. We need an RFL that can raise the profile of rugby league through marketing and media. Sport is now a business and global product, Lewis and Wood can,t grasp that, that's why we can,t find a creditable blue chip sponsor to come on board to our flag ship competion.
Lewis and Wood sound like funeral directors who are undertaking ideals without transparency. I agree with some of the club chairmen who have voiced there opinion and are a bit closer to the concerns, rather than Lewis and Wood who can,t see beyond there own back yard.'"

Why go back? Because you're talking like Lewis has taken the game backwards, which is a complete and utter lie.

Lewis has been the best administrator of our game in my lifetime and seen the game through its healthiest ever period. Who has done a better job?

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Quote: Wellsy13 "Why go back? Because you're talking like Lewis has taken the game backwards, which is a complete and utter lie.

Lewis has been the best administrator of our game in my lifetime and seen the game through its healthiest ever period. Who has done a better job?'"


Lewis and Wood in my opinion have stagnated the game and we need better more profession able people on board.
I agree with Saddened that the situation is precarious, if all the backers who bankroll the clubs pull out then we would probably end up a Superleague of 3 (Leeds, Wigan and Hull) back to the pre Lewis days of an uncompetitive Superleague.
Lewis and Wood have failed on the franchise system, have failed on reducing the overseas quota to produce home grown talent, have failed on referring standards, have failed on expanding the professional game nationally, have failed on sponsorship to raise the profile of our sport.
Who would have thought it we advertise our game on the side of "some" Stobart lorries outside the public window, can compete with a team of 10 overseas players, showcase our game expansion weekend in Manchester.

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Quote: Judder Man "Lewis and Wood in my opinion have stagnated the game and we need better more profession able people on board.'"

So since they came on board, there has been no development of progression at all? Really?
Quote: Judder Man "I agree with Saddened that the situation is precarious, if all the backers who bankroll the clubs pull out then we would probably end up a Superleague of 3 (Leeds, Wigan and Hull) back to the pre Lewis days of an uncompetitive Superleague.'"

Why is that Lewis and Wood's faults? It's the same in any pro sport. You're just picking anything now. If anything, it's good that the sport is in a place to attract such investors.
Quote: Judder Man "Lewis and Wood have failed on the franchise system, have failed on reducing the overseas quota to produce home grown talent, have failed on referring standards, have failed on expanding the professional game nationally, have failed on sponsorship to raise the profile of our sport.
Who would have thought it we advertise our game on the side of "some" Stobart lorries outside the public window, can compete with a team of 10 overseas players, showcase our game expansion weekend in Manchester.'"

So they've failed on a franchise system that has forced clubs to improve standards? They've failed to reduce the overseas quota despite putting a new system in place that will eventually get us around the Kolpak ruling (that effectively meant it was unlimited before) once all the exceptions have retired (can't break the law can we). There are more players eligible and being talked about for international honours now than ever. There are three additional semi-pro clubs with four more to come. They have successfully expanded into Europe professionally (only administration to do this).

But yeah, the game hasn't moved since they came in. In fact it's gone backwards icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Saint Simon "Rugby League is a great product and has the sky viewing figures to prove this. A good question is do the RFL make the most of this?

I think they score about 3/10 for this.

It pains me to say this, but just look how the wigan club market games, the first TV advert for a game, "the big one" has more coverage to most people than the magic weekend does!'"

Why is it do difficult for some people to understand that viewing figures aren't the be-all and end-all of TV deals and sponsorship?

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I have far more faith in Richard Lewis and the other board members than I do with Saddened and some of the flat-cappers that would have us return to "the glory years".

As for media savvy, Maurice Watkins (RFL board member) is also a director of Manchester United, among others and was heavily involved in the launch of MUTV, so please don't think the board of the RFL didn't have the expertise to secure the best deal available.

In 2003, there were reports in the press about the then top five clubs breaking away from Superleague and forming their own league, following the same press reporting that the RFL were about to be shafted by Sky. The RFL board came back from the negotiations with an improved deal. There was a long thread on this very board about the deal and IIRC the vast majority of the more lucid contributors had faith in the RFL to secure a deal to benefit the game as a whole. Fath that was ultimately rewarded.

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