I too have worked with poor and vulnerable people.

I don't like what these companies do, I doubt many people on here do. But this company is better than going to a loan shark (I have met people who have been affected by this, and believe me, these companies are needed so that people never ever go down that route) which is probably why they are choosing to do it. The better way is for advice against going to companies like provident. I understand that desperate people do desperate things, and some nasty clever bugger at the top of provident knows this alot better than me. But ATEOTD, nothing illegal is happening, people still have the choice and this company has put some serious money into Rugby League, at a time where the game really needs it, especially us.

Btw, I see you really hate the vulnerable being preyed on. Do you think Kopzcak will do well for you this season?



Please note the wink, I'm not actually likening that to people in these dreadful situations



I was once in a field of sheep, but they chased after me. If I get the opportunity again I will wear a thick white wooly coat and try to blend in. If I do manage to follow them I'll try to observe their activity and report back to you. If you improve your knowledge of sheep behaviour, as I'm sure you are keen to do, then you may be able to one day practice this yourself. It's actually quite exciting to meet another enthusiast of sheep behavioural analysis. Would you have any interest in forming a group or society?

Ok , i think he will get the point, no need to " Ram " it home.

Why, its not about my club, but if this was my club it would not chang my opinion

So you're an Everton fan?

So what club do you support?

no you must know im not a Bulls fan

He's a Cas fan.
So tax avoidance is just fine then.

No wrong City, & you must know im not a Bulls fan'"

I got chased off the top of Buckden Pike one Easter, in thick fog, by a flock of very beligerent herdwicks. And a scary experience it was too!

That was just after Pink Floyd had released "Animals", and I reckon the farmer had been playing "Sheep" to them a month or so earlier when they were down in the lambing shed... I had "bleating and babbling we fell on his neck with a scream" ringing in my ears until I finally vaulted the stile. Then remembered I had left my rucksack against the wall at the other side of the field...

And there may JUST be the odd idealist posting on these threads who would indeed behave no differently if it was HIS club involved. Somewhere. No, really... But I think most of us have a pretty good idea just how the tune of the others would change, as if by magic once they had mysteriously ascertained the true facts, if it was? Four legs good, two legs better, wot?

Good on the likes of Father Ted and Faxhali and Wheels and others who are prepared to be objective.

I know you're a Cas fan.

So I await your announcement that you won't be buying a Cas shirt or going to a Cas home game this season in accordance with your earlier stated views.

Indeed...

How do you know i support Cas, have you seen me there or are you guessing by reeding posts some one wrights on other sites, Mr Him

Quote fixed (your awful spelling remains though).

So who do you support then?

Quote ="frank5613" How do you know i support Cas, have you seen me there or are you guessing by reeding posts some one wrights on other sites, Mr Him'" From this thread - viewtopic.php?f=16&t=539047&tsmp=1352823792&start=10 Quote ="frank5613"=#FF8000I have been a cas fan for a long time, the players that took to the field this year need to stand back and take a good look at them selves and give it all they have and stop blaming things on Millward this as been going on for as long as i can remember the players are paid well for playing a game most of us have played for the fun of it so if they do not want to play because they do not like the boss then they should try a 40 hour week for £6 per hour'" Don't worry yourself about challenging James Bond as a secret agent, you're not very good at it.

Quote ="frank5613" How do you know i support Cas, have you seen me there or are you guessing by reeding posts some one wrights on other sites, Mr Him'" From this thread - viewtopic.php?f=16&t=539047&tsmp=1352823792&start=10 Quote ="frank5613"=#FF8000I have been a cas fan for a long time, the players that took to the field this year need to stand back and take a good look at them selves and give it all they have and stop blaming things on Millward this as been going on for as long as i can remember the players are paid well for playing a game most of us have played for the fun of it so if they do not want to play because they do not like the boss then they should try a 40 hour week for £6 per hour'" Don't worry yourself about challenging James Bond as a secret agent, you're not very good at it.

So now we have established you are a Cas fan, can we assume that you and your family boycotted all Castleford games last season due to their sponsor's questionable business ethics? Or are we seeing a classic case of double standards here?

Quote ="Him"From this thread - viewtopic.php?f=16&t=539047&tsmp=1352823792&start=10 Don't worry yourself about challenging James Bond as a secret agent, you're not very good at it.'" Ah, but he [icould[/i just have been [ipretending[/i to be a Cas fan in [ihis spare time[/i . . .

Quote ="Him"From this thread - viewtopic.php?f=16&t=539047&tsmp=1352823792&start=10 Don't worry yourself about challenging James Bond as a secret agent, you're not very good at it.'" Ah, but he [icould[/i just have been [ipretending[/i to be a Cas fan in [ihis spare time[/i . . .

Who on gods green earth pretends to be a Cas fan? That's like pretending to self-harm but actually going through with it.

Heheh, deep down, we are all Cas fans

hands up you found out i support Cas,and proud to, but you will never see me with a shirt with a big blue stain on it, i cannot bring my self to say there name,
if Bradford get as much out of there new savior as Cas did with theres, then good look, Cas have noassociationn with them now, they have few Friends other hear, but every club makes mistakes, we learned the hard way.
At the end of the day money talks, but some people do not care how they get it, but some do.

How many Cas games have you attended in the last few seasons?

An insolvency professional body released an article on "payday" loans and their popularity which reminded me of this thread. Source R3 - Association of Business Recovery Professionals - www.r3.org.uk/index.cfm?page=111 ... fpage=1008 [i5 million British adults considering taking out a payday loan in the next six months – One in four (26%) of 18-24 year olds likely to seek a payday loan – 13% of GB adults have prioritised paying back these loans over essentials such as food Since this time a year ago, there has been approximately a 50% increase on the number of GB adults who say they are likely to seek a payday loan in the next six months, up from 3.5 million individuals to 5 million today. The payday loan can no longer be regarded as a niche form of credit.[/i Therefore, like it or not, Provident provide an essential product and get well remunerated for it. If they didn't do it then someone else would and it is a competitive (and regulated) market at the end of the day. There are plenty of other companies out there that i don't particularly like or intend to have anything to do with personally but i think it is a bit hypocritical to criticise the Bulls for their sponsorship deal.

An insolvency professional body released an article on "payday" loans and their popularity which reminded me of this thread. Source R3 - Association of Business Recovery Professionals - www.r3.org.uk/index.cfm?page=111 ... fpage=1008 [i5 million British adults considering taking out a payday loan in the next six months – One in four (26%) of 18-24 year olds likely to seek a payday loan – 13% of GB adults have prioritised paying back these loans over essentials such as food Since this time a year ago, there has been approximately a 50% increase on the number of GB adults who say they are likely to seek a payday loan in the next six months, up from 3.5 million individuals to 5 million today. The payday loan can no longer be regarded as a niche form of credit.[/i Therefore, like it or not, Provident provide an essential product and get well remunerated for it. If they didn't do it then someone else would and it is a competitive (and regulated) market at the end of the day. There are plenty of other companies out there that i don't particularly like or intend to have anything to do with personally but i think it is a bit hypocritical to criticise the Bulls for their sponsorship deal.

Bingo!

The issue I have with Provident is not that they lend money at high interest rates, it's more that they actively seek to keep their customers in debt. It is a key part of their business model to offer new loans to pay off existing part-paid ones and keep the customers "locked in". The proportion of Provident loans that are paid up in the conventional sense is tiny. The vast majority of Provident customers remain in debt to them forever due to the cycle of topping up that the company pushes at them constantly.

Having said that, Rugby League simply can't financially afford to have moral values over this type of thing and nobody can blame Bradford for accepting this deal. Good luck to them.

However it is a strange dichotomy of hoping that a major club's sponsor does not get any new business out of the deal. I hope Bradford Bulls prosper because of it, but I hope Provident do not.

so as long as they don't bother you its fine, they will wont all the dater of the fans then they will be on your door step offering loans