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Quote: Pumpetypump "What's about a dual British / French bid? That enables you to determine the appetite for major comps in France and give you the surety of British crowds (ish). Could have both Semi finals in France and the final here. However you cut it though, there must be a half-way house to enable France to host major parts of a World Cup without so much pressure.'"


There's a sensible point there in that England have an adjacent junior partner in France and Australia have a junior partner in New Zealand.

By all means play some games in France and some in New Zealand.

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Quote: Donnyman "It's not about me stop trying to demonise me, just answer the points made.

Better still explain that sentence above? In that sentence you automatically assume that taking the game "somewhere new" attracts investment??

It doesn't though does it, they took the game to North America both the pro club game and international RL in Denver and it made a massive loss. It didn't attract any return on the investment

don't you realise that?? It's simple enough?'"

Wrong again. There is enough interest now in North America for a 14 team league.

How good is that and discredits any of your previous lack of interest arguments.

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Quote: Ornery Optimist "Careful with your stress levels,but, - news of the North American League does present the opportunity to take the tournament to North America.
Hemel Stags may feel aggrieved/happy (?) with getting some coin for their Licence now Ottawa are confirmed elsewhere from League 1.
First France and then North America! Wow! When that Super League club at the east of the M62 is still for sale...'"

Do you get excited about the barla league as well icon_lol.gif

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Quote: The Silent H "Wrong again. There is enough interest now in North America for a 14 team league.

How good is that and discredits any of your previous lack of interest arguments.'"

That's what it should of been

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Quote: snowie "not a problem with france holding the tournament as it is a world cup but not every body wants to travel abroad tho and as not everyone can afford to travel abroad it will be a massive risk just hope the RFL doesn't have to help out footing the bill if it all goes tits up'"


Mate. you say "No problem" then you suggest what is likely to be a massive problem

Anyone (serious not the wums on a wind up) want to predict the crowd levels for the RL cup in England, against what they would be in France?

The 2013 Final here was 75,000 without England being in it? The double header semis were 67,000

The North American world cup was pulled on the inadequate attendance in Denver. We don't have that great a spectator base here in England but it sure beats the French spectator base and if France aren't in the knock outs what will the crowds be then?

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Quote: snowie "he's expressing his opinion but as usual you latch on to it as a negative I personally think it will flop but at least I'm willing to watch them do it as long as the RFL don't have to cover the cost like it did in America you have to at least accept that'"

So Donnyman 'expresses his opinion', the rest of us do the same but are labelled WUMS and the like. Fair enough?

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Quote: snowie "That's what it should of been'"

So you agree that there was interest?

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Quote: Donnyman "Mate. you say "No problem" then you suggest what is likely to be a massive problem

Anyone (serious not the wums on a wind up) want to predict the crowd levels for the RL cup in England, against what they would be in France?

The 2013 Final here was 75,000 without England being in it? The double header semis were 67,000

The North American world cup was pulled on the inadequate attendance in Denver. We don't have that great a spectator base here in England but it sure beats the French spectator base and if France aren't in the knock outs what will the crowds be then?'"
Donny you can't dictate who can and can't holds the world cup but of all the sides entering it there's only a few that has the infrastructure and money to do did so yes I have no problem with french doing it, how ever I don't think there's enough interest within france and it could be a problem financially covering it, as long as it doesn't affect the RFL financially like it did in america then let them crack on with it

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Quote: The Silent H "So Donnyman 'expresses his opinion', the rest of us do the same but are labelled WUMS and the like. Fair enough?'"


ok if it makes you feel any better I'll not call you a wum again group-hug.gif

now I'll ask you the question do you too get excited about the barla league as well because that will be the level it will be starting or are you expecting them to super league team equivalent from the start, just to remind you hadn't two teams actually cleared the decks of players and the one that got into debt have they repaid them

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Quote: The Silent H "So you agree that there was interest?'"

well that didn't last long did it icon_lol.gif

now for the last time just for you I've never said there wasn't any interest over in america and I have always been in support of them with their own league over in own country as it doesn't make financial sense icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: snowie "Donny you can't dictate who can and can't holds the world cup....... I don't think there's enough interest within france and it could be a problem financially covering it, as long as it doesn't affect the RFL financially like it did in america then let them crack on with it'"


I'm not dictating anything mate, I haven't got the power.. You agree there isn't the interest in France especially as their team won't make the later stages. You talk about financial losses and of course they are free to crack on with a world cup anywhere they want.

But it's just another case of people who should know better dreaming of what could be for the game if it spread to new audiences, in new places where there would be new investors and new players. The problem with this approach is when they do these things like shift M62 clubs out of Superleague for overseas clubs, and shift the World cup over the France and away from England it damages the sport in the one place it has been successful for 125 years.

This chap who thinks it a great idea ought to do his homework and wake up and realise French Rugby Union has the RL game stuffed in France and no world cup will change that. He needs to wake up and realise that playing the World Cup here not only stabilises the game but gives it a major boost. It's as simple as that and frustrating these people can't see it.

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Quote: Donnyman "Mate. you say "No problem" then you suggest what is likely to be a massive problem

Anyone (serious not the wums on a wind up) want to predict the crowd levels for the RL cup in England, against what they would be in France?

The 2013 Final here was 75,000 without England being in it? The double header semis were 67,000

The North American world cup was pulled on the inadequate attendance in Denver. We don't have that great a spectator base here in England but it sure beats the French spectator base and if France aren't in the knock outs what will the crowds be then?'"


While Rugby League is not as popular in France as England, it's a lot more well known that is in America. The American bid was always ridiculous, they didn't even have a proper league running and the sensible thing would have been to hold the test Test match before the bid was won.

The advantage France have this time is the event would follow the 2023 Union World Cup and 2024 Olympics for which a lot of stadiums, training grounds, hotels and transport will be upgraded. Often councils/governments want further events to justify the cost they have paid out. For example saying part of the Olympics Village will live on as a training base for the RL World Cup ticks a few boxes and helps keeps questions about legacy and waste of cash down.

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Quote: snowie "ok if it makes you feel any better I'll not call you a wum again No excitement for the barla league from me. But the NA league has potential and will be getting similar funding to the Championship.

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Quote: UllFC "

1. Rugby League is not as popular in France as England,

2. The advantage France have this time is the event would follow the 2023 Union World Cup and 2024 Olympics for which a lot of stadiums, training grounds, hotels and transport will be upgraded. Often councils/governments want further events to justify the cost they have paid out. For example saying part of the Olympics Village will live on as a training base for the RL World Cup ticks a few boxes and helps keeps questions about legacy and waste of cash down.'"


1. Indeed, but moreso Rugby Union in France dwarfes Rugby League. In essence the idea is like pitting a corner shop against a supermarket. Do the organisers of the RLWC know anything about Rugby in France?

2. And so the RU world cup in France will merely consolidate Unions power and position over rugby league in France giving them the first go at using a world cup to further promote and expand Union in France. This means persuading people to choose RU over RL there....

Pro RL does not work in France, the one club with any substance has to use players from here, it has to play teams from here. The pretenders in Toulouse are not even set up to Catalans level. The game here produces players, it has far more fans and far more TV interest.

Substituting an English club for Catalans depletes Superleague

Substituting TO for another English club further depletes Superleague

Substitute Avignon for another English club and the SKY deal goes, then that will be be pro-RL gone in Europe, France and all.

Let's see who can actually debate the facts rather than just go on a wind up.

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Quote: Donnyman "

But it's just another case of people who should know better dreaming of what could be for the game if it spread to new audiences, in new places where there would be new investors and new players. The problem with this approach is when they do these things like shift M62 clubs out of Superleague for overseas clubs, and shift the World cup over the France and away from England it damages the sport in the one place it has been successful for 125 years
'"

Not a bad effort for an April Fool.Struggling with the successful for 125 years,bit.Struggling even more with the problem of the world cup being held in the home of the original world cup finalists.

Quote: Donnyman "

1. Indeed, but moreso Rugby Union in France dwarfes Rugby League. In essence the idea is like pitting a corner shop against a supermarket. Do the organisers of the RLWC know anything about Rugby in France?

2. And so the RU world cup in France will merely consolidate Unions power and position over rugby league in France giving them the first go at using a world cup to further promote and expand Union in France. This means persuading people to choose RU over RL there....

Pro RL does not work in France, the one club with any substance has to use players from here, it has to play teams from here. The pretenders in Toulouse are not even set up to Catalans level. The game here produces players, it has far more fans and far more TV interest.

Substituting an English club for Catalans depletes Superleague

Substituting TO for another English club further depletes Superleague

Substitute Avignon for another English club and the SKY deal goes, then that will be be pro-RL gone in Europe, France and all.

Let's see who can actually debate the facts rather than just go on a wind up.'"


Struggling with the belief that rugby union does not dwarf rugby league in this sceptred isle,of yours.
Catalans do NOT have to use English players.
Super League is not depleted by having Catalans.
Toulouse are Not in Super League - ergo Not depleted.
It is impossible to debate with a xenophobic,misleading,repetitive individual who is consistently,and incessantly,factually wrong,and who will simply keep on repeating the same mantra on a daily basis and will not be dissuaded.

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