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Quote: NickyKiss "I stood at Salford yesterday thinking to myself about how you've picked up since Hock left. Whilst at Wigan we didn't win a thing yet whilst he was banned or when he left we picked up plenty.

2010-Banned-Won LLS and Grand Final

2011- Banned half the season- Won Challenge cup

2012- Played all year- Won LLS but flopped in semis of both CC and GF.

2013- Left- Won the CC and GF double.

Makes you wonder.'"


He's made a good start at Leigh icon_eek.gif

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I'm bloody glad you lot let hock go! Nobody can doubt the lad is world class yes???? He made a good start on Monday and let's not beat around the bush Workington were niggling at him he just kept he's head and come back with some big shots! The lad has been a liability in the past no doubt but he looked hungry on Monday long may it continue

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Quote: oggy123 "I'm bloody glad you lot let hock go! Nobody can doubt the lad is world class yes???? He made a good start on Monday and let's not beat around the bush Workington were niggling at him he just kept he's head and come back with some big shots! The lad has been a liability in the past no doubt but he looked hungry on Monday long may it continue'"



How do Leigh afford Hock and Fui Fui Moi Moi, plus an entire full time squad, under the Championship salary cap icon_confused.gif:

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Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "How do Leigh afford Hock and Fui Fui Moi Moi, plus an entire full time squad, under the Championship salary cap Hock *should* be playing for free, its surely his last chance in the sport at professional level.

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Quote: oggy123 "I'm bloody glad you lot let hock go! Nobody can doubt the lad is world class yes???? He made a good start on Monday and let's not beat around the bush Workington were niggling at him he just kept he's head and come back with some big shots! The lad has been a liability in the past no doubt but he looked hungry on Monday long may it continue'"


Always does for a few weeks/months. We'll see how he goes in a few months when he's not on his best behaviour anymore.

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It's a risk worth taking pal

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Quote: oggy123 "It's a risk worth taking pal'"


For Leigh I fully agree. They're a club on the up who want to get in to superleague and Hock is an unbelievable talent. At his best he's as good as any forward in world rugby league but his issues have ruined his career.

He's got this opportunity at Leigh now to try and turn things around. If he can have a positive few years before retirement his talent may not have all been wasted.

Changing a lifetimes worth of habits though can be difficult.

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Quote: oggy123 "I'm bloody glad you lot let hock go! Nobody can doubt the lad is world class yes???? He made a good start on Monday and let's not beat around the bush Workington were niggling at him he just kept he's head and come back with some big shots! The lad has been a liability in the past no doubt but he looked hungry on Monday long may it continue'"


Jesus Christ, he looked good against a part-time Workington team that was probably littered with some young kids from Wigan on DR? He should be looking good against opposition like that. A proper test of his character, ability and mental state will be in the games against Bradford and Super League opposition during the Super 8's (or whatever name has been given to the split!).

No doubt he's a good (not great) player on his day, but since he left our performances on the pitch has increased ten-fold and the team spirit is visibly 100% better.

Hopefully it turns out to be a good move for both Salford and Leigh.

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Quote: John Gilbert Reds "Jesus Christ, he looked good against a part-time Workington team that was probably littered with some young kids from Wigan on DR? He should be looking good against opposition like that. A proper test of his character, ability and mental state will be in the games against Bradford and Super League opposition during the Super 8's (or whatever name has been given to the split!).

No doubt he's a good (not great) player on his day, but since he left our performances on the pitch has increased ten-fold and the team spirit is visibly 100% better.

Hopefully it turns out to be a good move for both Salford and Leigh.'"


Why are you denigrating Hock's playing ability ?

On his day, he is world class and is a handful for ANY defence.
IF he keeps his head, he will be a fantastic player for Leigh but, its a big IF.
Just because he "failed" at Salford, it's no reason to relegate him to "good".

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Think the problem at wire was they relied on their forwards laying a platform for their half-backs who then usually kicked for Joel to score.....from what i've seen so far the forwards aren't making the yards and their half-backs aren't anywhere near the standard of Briers and co in the past, alas we see Joel with only 2 ?? tries this year i think they said on Sky.

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It was attitude I was more impressed with on Sunday he looked hungry and willing too work! He's a tremendous talent one of only a few British players the Aussies are intimated by!! There is a lot of risks and I'm not saying he's our saviour but it's a bloody good start

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Don't think the Aussies are intimidated by him at all. They probably find Graham and the Burgess boys more intimidating.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Why are you denigrating Hock's playing ability ?

On his day, he is world class and is a handful for ANY defence.
IF he keeps his head, he will be a fantastic player for Leigh but, its a big IF.
Just because he "failed" at Salford, it's no reason to relegate him to "good".'"


All I ever hear from people when discussing Gareth Hock is "on his day he is world class", but the fact is he isn't world class. Back in his earlier Wigan days he was, but those days are long gone for him now hence why he is playing for Leigh in the Championship. I agree he could turn out to be be a fantastic player for Leigh, as the standard of opposition is predominantly part-time and so you would expect him to stand out and do well.

The reality is "on his day", he is a good Super League player but at 31, whilst playing in the Championship and with his disciplinary issues we unfortunately wont see many more of those.

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Burgess brothers I'll give you but graham?? He's a big soft ginger baby!

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Quote: wrencat1873 "
Just because he "failed"at Salford, it's no reason to relegate him to "good".'"


Well he's hardly going to take a view that Hock should be promoted to World Class status is he? icon_wink.gif

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