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Just seems like the rantings of a desperate man.

I cant think of an occasion when he has impressed me and destined to be be a casualty of the 2011 season. I doubt that he will coach at SL level after Hull.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "I'm struggling to understand why so many don't seem to understand that [size[ithere are ways to complain about the referee through proper channels[/i[/size, and that the more painful the decision/s, the more Agar needs to man up and take it on the chin. He could have made his point without doing a Violet Elizabeth Bott, and what he did is not in the interests of the game, or the hundreds of amateur officials who already have little enough respect as it is, without SL coaches leading the vanguard of the apoplectic.'"


And after receiving countless automated replies to the tune of 'Thanks for your thoughts but keep them to yourself because we cannot be wrong, okay!' it must get a little frustrating.

I'm proud of the respect refs get in RL, but very poor performances must be acknowledged. There was a sense of frustration throughout the game last Friday, mainly down to decisions made by the ref - he was very fortunate the players (with the exception of Long) were more professional then him.

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To be fair to Agar, he does have experience at being woefully unqualified for a job so he does know what he is talking about in that sense.

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Reading the BBC report, I can't actually see what, in particular, Agar is ranting about.

If James Child is blowing his whistle, it is presumably because a player is doing something that he shouldn't. That's more Agar's fault than it is Child's.

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Quote: Dr Hfuhruhurr "And after receiving countless automated replies to the tune of 'Thanks for your thoughts but keep them to yourself because we cannot be wrong, okay!' it must get a little frustrating.'"

So you know Agar has made "countless complaints" about referees, then? And you know that he's had back "countless automated replies" which have led to Agar tipping over some imaginary frustration edge?

Please publish them. I'm fascinated.

What? You don't actually know of any? Thought so.

Agar has only been in the job 2 minutes, even if these "automated replies" came after every single game, (a) they'd hardly be "countless", unless you're 5, and (b) seemingly none of those would involve this ref., since according to Agar this was the first time he'd been dreading.

Therefore, far from "countless replies", by definition, there can't have been ANY previous reply regarding Child. At all. Not one. So, on the very first occasion Agar's team gets reffed by child, the truth is he chooses not to bother taking even the very first step down the official complaint lines, but loses his rag totally, as his starting point.

He can have had no such frustration, and your point is thus demonstrable bollox.

Quote: Dr Hfuhruhurr "I'm proud of the respect refs get in RL, but ....'"

So are you still condoning Agar's crass rant, or not, then?

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Quote: rover49 "They had no option.

While i don't blame Agar, especially after seeing the match analysis on BnA, he clearly has a point, however he is not allowed to under the RFQA 'respect' rules.

I would assume if they had NOT charged him, other coaches would be asking for their fines to be repaid.'"


The respect bit is the thing that irked me most about Agar being charged. Child's performance was seriously that bad, that Agar leterally had no option but to discuss this in the post match press conference. His comments were purely factual, yet he has been charged for effectively showin no respect!!!!

In the past few months I have managed to gain promotion at work and onto the management structure. I have had to work bloddy hard to gain the respect of staff members who are under my control, as respect is not something that is generally handed out willy nilly. If the RFL,Mr Childs and other officials for that matter want respect, I suggest they start perfroming to at least the expected minimum level of performance and then, maybe, will they start to get they RESPECT that they desire so much.

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Quote: rover49 "They had no option.

While i don't blame Agar, especially after seeing the match analysis on BnA, he clearly has a point, however he is not allowed to under the RFQA 'respect' rules.

I would assume if they had NOT charged him, other coaches would be asking for their fines to be repaid.'"


The respect bit is the thing that irked me most about Agar being charged. Child's performance was seriously that bad, that Agar leterally had no option but to discuss this in the post match press conference. His comments were purely factual, yet he has been charged for effectively showin no respect!!!!

In the past few months I have managed to gain promotion at work and onto the management structure. I have had to work bloddy hard to gain the respect of staff members who are under my control, as respect is not something that is generally handed out willy nilly. If the RFL,Mr Childs and other officials for that matter want respect, I suggest they start perfroming to at least the expected minimum level of performance and then, maybe, will they start to get they RESPECT that they desire so much.

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Quote: bramleyrhino "Reading the BBC report, I can't actually see what, in particular, Agar is ranting about.

If James Child is blowing his whistle, it is presumably because a player is doing something that he shouldn't. That's more Agar's fault than it is Child's.'"


A certain contendar for the funniest post on rlfans 2011 award.

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Ahh Tesco Building St Helens & Warrington's future Destroying Wigans past "Viva Ben Flower, Viva Ben Flower, could have won the cup but you Messed it up Viva Ben Flower":



Agar should be given a season long touchline ban- although i can't see him lasting the season icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Londo06 "Agar may well be right about Child's performance but he was less than forthcoming about the referee the previous week when his side were the beneficiary of forward passes in two of his sides tries in a 40-30 win in the capital.'"


I know coaches can be "selective" but there's a world of difference between a forward pass and inconsistent penalising. Radford got binned early on for a tackle round the neck, yet Ferres did the same in the same half and though Hull got the penalty, no sinbin followed. It's either a sin bin or it isn't, but it can't be both.

He made other mistakes and the mood of the match got worse and worse as players (who should take some responsibility) got more and more niggly with each other as they were allowed, by and large, to get away with it (hence the Aspinwall/Long set-to and Long's stupid challenge - the latter possibly from concussion after a blatant high shot that the ref "missed"icon_wink.gif. If Child had got on top of the game earlier and been less pedantic and more consistent, then this thread and Agar's rant would not have happened

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[b:6jl68bf5][quote="Damo-Leeds":6jl68bf5]Please tell me what a coach’s job is.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [/b:6jl68bf5] [quote="Matt89":6jl68bf5]phipps knows best (everything about rugby league) so don't disagree!!!![/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Huddersfield1895 AKA dally messenger":6jl68bf5] Having read the article several times I'm still confused[/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Damo-Leeds":6jl68bf5]I shall keep posting on this thread and derail it as much as I want to.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [b:6jl68bf5][quote="PHIPPS":6jl68bf5]Sadly for Wigan as soon as Maguire gets an offer from an NRL club he will be on the plane home before you can say 'meat and potato pie'[/quote:6jl68bf5] [/b:6jl68bf5] [quote="Conorgiantsfan":6jl68bf5]I like you Phipps. I like your style.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Chorlton RL":6jl68bf5]As far as gauging the potential in the South West, I'd have thought the rumoured Wembley international double-header at the end of the season would be good way to do this. [/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Conorgiantsfan":6jl68bf5]You really annoy me. Like genital warts, but worse.[/quote:6jl68bf5]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50156.jpg



Quote: Chris28 "I know coaches can be "selective" but there's a world of difference between a forward pass and inconsistent penalising. Radford got binned early on for a tackle round the neck, yet Ferres did the same in the same half and though Hull got the penalty, no sinbin followed. It's either a sin bin or it isn't, but it can't be both.

He made other mistakes and the mood of the match got worse and worse as players (who should take some responsibility) got more and more niggly with each other as they were allowed, by and large, to get away with it (hence the Aspinwall/Long set-to and Long's stupid challenge - the latter possibly from concussion after a blatant high shot that the ref "missed"icon_wink.gif. If Child had got on top of the game earlier and been less pedantic and more consistent, then this thread and Agar's rant would not have happened'"



So you are claiming possibly Long ran in with his elbow as a result of being concussed owing to a high shot that the referee missed?


Are you a solicitor?

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I suspect he wasn't thinking straight and was seeking a bit of revenge. He was laid out for a good minute after the high shot that "didn't happen", so although I'm not a doctor (or a solicitor or a WUM icon_wink.gif) he may not have had all the marbles in a row

You did underline where I said it was a stupid challenge and I'm not trying to defend it. If Child had penalised the high shot chances are Long would have stayed on the field and you wouldn't need to be on your high horse

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[b:6jl68bf5][quote="Damo-Leeds":6jl68bf5]Please tell me what a coach’s job is.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [/b:6jl68bf5] [quote="Matt89":6jl68bf5]phipps knows best (everything about rugby league) so don't disagree!!!![/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Huddersfield1895 AKA dally messenger":6jl68bf5] Having read the article several times I'm still confused[/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Damo-Leeds":6jl68bf5]I shall keep posting on this thread and derail it as much as I want to.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [b:6jl68bf5][quote="PHIPPS":6jl68bf5]Sadly for Wigan as soon as Maguire gets an offer from an NRL club he will be on the plane home before you can say 'meat and potato pie'[/quote:6jl68bf5] [/b:6jl68bf5] [quote="Conorgiantsfan":6jl68bf5]I like you Phipps. I like your style.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Chorlton RL":6jl68bf5]As far as gauging the potential in the South West, I'd have thought the rumoured Wembley international double-header at the end of the season would be good way to do this. [/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Conorgiantsfan":6jl68bf5]You really annoy me. Like genital warts, but worse.[/quote:6jl68bf5]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50156.jpg



Quote: Chris28 "I suspect he wasn't thinking straight and was seeking a bit of revenge. He was laid out for a good minute after the high shot that "didn't happen", so although I'm not a doctor (or a solicitor or a WUM

I'm not on my high horse at all.


It's just I haven't heard someone using possible concussion as a defence for assault for quite a few years.

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Quote: PHIPPS "I'm not on my high horse at all.


It's just I haven't heard someone using possible concussion as a defence for assault for quite a few years.'"


Has Long been charged with assault?

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[b:6jl68bf5][quote="Damo-Leeds":6jl68bf5]Please tell me what a coach’s job is.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [/b:6jl68bf5] [quote="Matt89":6jl68bf5]phipps knows best (everything about rugby league) so don't disagree!!!![/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Huddersfield1895 AKA dally messenger":6jl68bf5] Having read the article several times I'm still confused[/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Damo-Leeds":6jl68bf5]I shall keep posting on this thread and derail it as much as I want to.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [b:6jl68bf5][quote="PHIPPS":6jl68bf5]Sadly for Wigan as soon as Maguire gets an offer from an NRL club he will be on the plane home before you can say 'meat and potato pie'[/quote:6jl68bf5] [/b:6jl68bf5] [quote="Conorgiantsfan":6jl68bf5]I like you Phipps. I like your style.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Chorlton RL":6jl68bf5]As far as gauging the potential in the South West, I'd have thought the rumoured Wembley international double-header at the end of the season would be good way to do this. [/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Conorgiantsfan":6jl68bf5]You really annoy me. Like genital warts, but worse.[/quote:6jl68bf5]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50156.jpg



Quote: chico's nose "Has Long been charged with assault?'"



If that incident had happened on the street outside the ground he would have been.

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Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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