thats true, both would walk into the nsw origin side.

burgess would walk into either nsw or queensland

Haha, think someone at the Bulletin has made a cock up there! Both SMH, Daily Telegraph and Fox sorts attribute the article to Todd Payten. Journalists eh!

Translates to, "I've ran out of smart d comments"

It's amazing how everyone else, including coaches, fellow players and journos think that both players sit in the top bracket of RL forwards, yet little Baz still knows different.

Give it up champ.

Could'nt agree more old faithfull.

Barry Mc

Clearly the England and New Zealand forward packs are currently ahead of Australia.

Only the genius available in the backs is saving Australia in recent Tests. And then only occasionally as 2008 testifies.

No their not.

Cinovacia /Galloway
Smith/Farrar
Hannatt/Shillington
Thaiday/Creagh
Gallen/Myles
Lewis/Bird

They've got great players in abundance, eng and new z only have a couple.

They're not.

You lost me at that point.

As I said, the Kiwi and England packs are in front.

You'd be wrong, very.

Run along now...

Anyone who doesn't agree the Kiwis are ahead of Australia in the forwards needs to sit down and consider the results since 2005. They certainly are not ahead in the backs.

As for England, Burgess and Ellis have been close to the best forwards in the competition this year. We will see this in the 4N.

BTW, I am on the record as saying the ANZAC ambush is a joke, so disregard those Tests and focus on the ones when the Kiwis have their full complement (less the annual pull-outs cf: Frank Pritchard) and have some proper time to prepare - ie. end of season tournaments.

It will be interesting to see if we call up Chris Heighington then.

Russell Fairfax gave Ellis a huge compliment last night on Foxsportsnews,saying he was the key to the Tigers winning the premiership,and that without Ellis they couldnt win it.

I'll give you Thaiday, Smith and on his day Gallen goes ok. After that the rest would not make a world 13 pack imo. Watching Petro lumber around in last weeks play off game was like watching one of those big old bull elephants, plenty of ticker but best days are way behind him.

Both NZ and England have strong looking packs, but Australia still have an abundance of talent up front. Any team with the likes of Shilington, Thaiday, Lewis and Civoniceva on the park will cause even the best teams plenty of trouble.