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Quote: Legionited "I can understand why some would think he has been moaning about it to the media, but I think it's likely that its more the media are the ones asking him the questions and he's simply answering them.'"


In which case he could brush past it in the sense that he [iwanted[/i to let it drop; or take the opportunity to slate Cas, again.

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What a stupid fine. I mean, how could cas as a club stop it?

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Quote: JB Down Under "exactly how can a club stop fans singing? Short of a water cannon I don't really see what more they can do except appeal over the pr system.'"


No-one wants to stop fans singing...however chanting homophobic abuse is not singing..
CCTV should be able to identify undesirables from the grounds, and fans who just want to go with their families to enjoy the game can always reports the undesirables to their club, also steward control can play a part.

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Quote: Saint_Marc "What a stupid fine. I mean, how could cas as a club stop it?'"



use of the PA system to tell people to shut up.
use of stewards in the problem area to turf people out who are doing it.
use of CCTV to identify offenders and ban them for life.

did they do any of this stuff on the day in question?

when Saints had a televised BBC cup game a few years ago which was Terry Newton's first game against Saints since his 6month ban for assaulting Long and Gilmour there were numerous appeals by the club pre-match for fans to avoid using offensive language. Eamonn McManus mentioned it in his programme notes and there were a couple of burly 'stewards' on the Popular Side ready to get people out if they did anything untoward. Its clear that there are going to be 'issues' around Gareth Thomas so all clubs should be prepared in advance to take action against any fans who do anything.

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i can not believe this decision whats so ever its political correctness gone mad.

will it stop chanting towards refereeing decisions or players weight or supporters singing towards other fans ?no of course not.

will tapes of sky games be dragged out where you can clearly hear fans abusing referees or players been chanted at so those clubs can be fined ? not a chance

will any clubs be fined in the future for what fans sing ? not a prayer

this is a clear case of the rfl throwing their weight around aimed at a club who dare not respond for fear of repurcussions in the near future,the rfl are killing our sport and they wont be happy until they have ripped the guts out of the clubs that have made this game what it is. icon_evil.gif

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Quote: berrigans bitch "No-one wants to stop fans singing...however chanting homophobic abuse is not singing..
CCTV should be able to identify undesirables from the grounds, and fans who just want to go with their families to enjoy the game can always reports the undesirables to their club, also steward control can play a part.'"


Yep, and if Cas have not taken steps to try to prevent this happening again, they deserve the fine. This is something a club can only respond to - even with the best (realistic) system in place, you can't prevent people from behaving badly initially.
How long did the chanting go on for? Was there any attempt to stop it? Did the club try to identify the perpetrators?

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Quote: Mild Rover "Yep, and if Cas have not taken steps to try to prevent this happening again, they deserve the fine. This is something a club can only respond to - even with the best (realistic) system in place, you can't prevent people from behaving badly initially.
How long did the chanting go on for? Was there any attempt to stop it? Did the club try to identify the perpetrators?'"


But we have, see my other post.

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Quote: braytontiger "i can not believe this decision whats so ever its political correctness gone mad.

will it stop chanting towards refereeing decisions or players weight or supporters singing towards other fans ?no of course not.

will tapes of sky games be dragged out where you can clearly hear fans abusing referees or players been chanted at so those clubs can be fined ? not a chance

will any clubs be fined in the future for what fans sing ? not a prayer

this is a clear case of the rfl throwing their weight around aimed at a club who dare not respond for fear of repurcussions in the near future,the rfl are killing our sport and they wont be happy until they have ripped the guts out of the clubs that have made this game what it is.
This was bigotted abuse. What does and does not represent bigotry is subjective. As a rule of thumb though, if you can put -bashing behind a term, to describe an act of hate violence you're on shaky ground.

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Quote: LewisJ23 "But we have, see my other post.'"


My implication was if they have, then they don't deserve such a big fine, or any at all if the response was thorough.

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[quote="Mark"]Great game of rugby league. Fantastic atmosphere, Wigan were breathtaking and dominant in all areas for the first 25 minutes, coupled with us making alot of dumb mistakes,then fortunately they brought McIlorum on which helped us back into the game. I thought some of the tries we scored to get us within two we're out of this world stuff. Towards the end we had to force it a little and we had a few things go wrong, i.e Monas kick on the first for King and Solomona going off who was causing havoc. Wigan were clinical in their eventual execution of us. Proud of Wire today and gave us a little glimpse to the future. Silverwood was awful as per, but I expect no less. Tomkins is a world class player and by far the best english player in SL. Wigan are a champion side and would be a worthy winner of taking our title as challenge cup. Good luck over the next month and a bit.[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_23997.jpg



Good we dont need this **** in our game well done cas fans bringing the game down

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So does that mean then when Paul Cooke was playing for kr he could lodge a complaint against fc fans when they were singing die die cookie cookie die ???? And for the idiot that was talking about kr fans singing about homophobic songs there was not a single chant about him which did suprise me as I was expecting it as u always get sum idiots that spoil for every one

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[quote="Mark"]Great game of rugby league. Fantastic atmosphere, Wigan were breathtaking and dominant in all areas for the first 25 minutes, coupled with us making alot of dumb mistakes,then fortunately they brought McIlorum on which helped us back into the game. I thought some of the tries we scored to get us within two we're out of this world stuff. Towards the end we had to force it a little and we had a few things go wrong, i.e Monas kick on the first for King and Solomona going off who was causing havoc. Wigan were clinical in their eventual execution of us. Proud of Wire today and gave us a little glimpse to the future. Silverwood was awful as per, but I expect no less. Tomkins is a world class player and by far the best english player in SL. Wigan are a champion side and would be a worthy winner of taking our title as challenge cup. Good luck over the next month and a bit.[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_23997.jpg



Quote: hullkrforever "So does that mean then when Paul Cooke was playing for kr he could lodge a complaint against fc fans when they were singing die die cookie cookie die ???? And for the idiot that was talking about kr fans singing about homophobic songs there was not a single chant about him which did suprise me as I was expecting it as u always get sum idiots that spoil for every one'"
UH?

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Quote: hullkrforever "So does that mean then when Paul Cooke was playing for kr he could lodge a complaint against fc fans when they were singing die die cookie cookie die ???? And for the idiot that was talking about kr fans singing about homophobic songs there was not a single chant about him which did suprise me as I was expecting it as u always get sum idiots that spoil for every one'"


I am sure most clubs can recount abuse a player is subjected to...Long etc.....sadly it is the nature of the beast in sport, however racism and homophobic behaviour is taking banter/abuse to a different level and is totally unacceptable any where in life, let alone on a terrace which is full of families with children.

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Quote: hullkrforever "So does that mean then when Paul Cooke was playing for kr he could lodge a complaint against fc fans when they were singing die die cookie cookie die ???? And for the idiot that was talking about kr fans singing about homophobic songs there was not a single chant about him which did suprise me as I was expecting it as u always get sum idiots that spoil for every one'"


They were 'just' sick, not bigotted.
When it happened at HKR it was their responsibility (see 2007 pitch invasion).

I've got a hunch that the VT might not want another Rovers-Hull bunfight, as it's a thread about Cas.

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Ian nit starting anything like that just stating a fact that's all as it was the first thing that came to mind so I thought I would mention it

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