The first game Hayne reffed he seemed to call Held almost as soon as the players made contact in the tackle - he didn't allow any time for the players to go to ground or offload in the tackle - he seemed far to keen to start the ptb.

If we do get Hayne, there's only one team who this will favour and I can see why the aussies are desperate to get him - nothng at all to do with a few 'sly digs' which they did more than their fair share of.

I'm assuming if it was a Aus-NZ final, Sheens wouldn't mind Ganson?

There are very few things about our great game that embarrasses me but this is one, the only one I think... to have a 4 Nations final between England and Australia and a perfectly capable New Zealander ready to referee, what the hell is the problem? Neutral referees are accepted in every sport the world over, it’s just plain stupid not to appoint one

Hayne is e.

I can only assume the Ockers want him because he will be as biased as Tony Archer.

why do the australians think we want a slow game? the world cup in aus was the slowest play of the balls id ever seen, the scooting super league english game had no chance!

Seems to me the answer is simple. We wanted Ganson, the Aussies wanted Hayne, the Kiwis wanted Williamson. We switch to Williamson, and the Aussies go whinge into their beer, outvoted 2-1.

rlReading the comments here, looks like his views aren't shared by everyone down under.rl

It's aus gamesmanship (trying to cheat) at its worst. They whinge before any competition (cricket, RU, RL) about anything they think might not give them an advantage.

Imagine an Australian ref sending off an australian prop in the opening tackle of the game? Never in million years! English refs have bent over backwards to be impartial.

If an australian refs the game we will get penalised for not playing the ball fast enough, for not retreating fast enough, for imaginary high tackles or as the americans call it "unnecessary roughness" etc.. etc.. etc.. In fact all the things that sheens has moaned about. There is no way on earth that an aus ref will give a vital decision against his own country.

They had the advantage in the world cup by slowing down the play the ball and playing to their "interpretation" of the rules and now they want the same advantage again by speeding it back up.

Part of me thinks they are very sad....the other part just gets angry. The RFL should grow some ball$ and tell them to cluck off. Ganson should ref the game.

Bottom line is the Aussies will never ever fully accept a ref that isn't from the NRL. Which is bloody ridiculous.

It's very simple. Or at least it should be.

This is the final. England vs Australia.

Therefore, appoint a neutral ref. No bother.

Team coaches/managers, etc, should have precisely zero influence on who officiates their games. Once again the ockers cause a stir even before a ball is kicked, and should they lose will certainly tip a nod to the ref as at least partly to blame.

stop crying and looking for excuses even before its started. shayne hayne isnt my favourite referee but at least hes an nrl one and that whats needed

Why ?

And by who ?

It's an easy mistake to make but I feel obliged to point out the 4 Nations involves multiple nations (4 of them in case you were wondering)

because Hayne is considered to be about the best in the world you fool