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| Quote: Donnyman "Here are some crowds
Bradford.v.Leeds 24,020...............Touluse.v.York 650
Leeds,v,Bradford 21,666..............Touluse.v. Featherstone 1068
Saints.v.Bradford 15,042..............Toulouse.v. Hunslet 645
Bradford.v.Wigan 17,267.............. Touluse.v.Batley 868
Hull.v. Bradford 14,124.............. Toulose.v.Barrow 602........................................Bit of a difference
While I generally get most posts of yours & what you are trying to convey, I feel this example is disingenuous.
You've taken Bradford games from their heyday *when they were spending way beyond their means & charging buttons for tickets* against top drawer opposition & West Yorkshire derbies.
While I agree that Toulouse attendances may be on the low side & subject to some *creative accounting* , you have picked some of the least attractive Toulouse fixtures & pitted them head to head against Bradfords most attractive fixtures, hardly fair !!!
If you are picking Toulouse fixtures then you pick TO13 v Leigh, Toronto, Bradford, Featherstone for example, not Batley, Barrow & Hunslet !
I am reasonably sure that a Super League fixture of Toulouse Olympique v Catalans Dragons could realistically draw 6,000 +, however, even in Super League I find it hard to believe they would be better supported (on average attendances) than say Huddersfield & Wakefield, maybe better supported than Salford though.
Toulouse have for my money, something to offer Super League, eventually & if supported to do that, but are just not quite ready, in a similar way to Toronto, their inclusion must be planned for, NRL style, not hung on a wing & a prayer !!!
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| Quote: The Silent H "Once again ignoring my questions posed and avoiding debate. Why? .'"
I'm not sure I ever got a genuine debate from you. Let's just leave it there.............
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| Quote: Ste100Centurions "While I generally get most posts of yours & what you are trying to convey, I feel this example is disingenuous.
You've taken Bradford games from their heyday *when they were spending way beyond their means & charging buttons for tickets* against top drawer opposition & West Yorkshire derbies.
While I agree that Toulouse attendances may be on the low side & subject to some *creative accounting* , you have picked some of the least attractive Toulouse fixtures & pitted them head to head against Bradfords most attractive fixtures, hardly fair !!!
If you are picking Toulouse fixtures then you pick TO13 v Leigh, Toronto, Bradford, Featherstone for example, not Batley, Barrow & Hunslet !
I am reasonably sure that a Super League fixture of Toulouse Olympique v Catalans Dragons could realistically draw 6,000 +, however, even in Super League I find it hard to believe they would be better supported (on average attendances) than say Huddersfield & Wakefield, maybe better supported than Salford though.
Toulouse have for my money, something to offer Super League, eventually & if supported to do that, but are just not quite ready, in a similar way to Toronto, their inclusion must be planned for, NRL style, not hung on a wing & a prayer !!!'"
Well fair play to you Ste I put my hands up to a point.........But
In 2019 Toulouse got an attendance of 3560 against Bradford, a great crowd probably due to them playing erm..... Bradford.... so why give TO the credit and not Bradford and their travelling fans?. Despite being in the doldrums Bradford got a great crowd against Leeds of over 10,000 for a saturday RL cup game. That was impressive.
But I must remind you that the criteria for clubs to be in Superleague isn't crowds Once again Toronto's entry to the game here was based on their potential to bring to the game paying North American TV deals and to develop North American players who could perform at Superleague level. Even Eric Perez admitted that and promised that. Same at Toulouse when they met Ian Lenegan and several other SL bosses. The SL bosses said, and Toulouse accepted that what SL wanted from Toulouse was a paying French TV deal and a French player development system that would spawn quality French RL players. Mate they can do neither
What happened as regards Toronto was that when they could not get any Canadians to play the game or Canadian TV to pay to broadcast their games they were sunk. Both these things Perez promised failed miserably. So they switched to claiming they were a massive success because they won games and attracted 10,000 crowds.
But they only won games because they massively outspent Championship clubs and they only got "alleged" big crowds because............ Well the idea was that they actually let loads of fans in for nothing, that many who came to the games came for the Beer Festival, and that they just announced a big crowd even if it wasn't because they could hardly boast they were developing Canadian Players and had a Canadian TV deal.........
Toulouse offer no Pro player development and probably no French TV deal. What their inclusion offers is the ommission of an English club who do develop players and who do have fans who buy into SKY sports.............
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| Quote: Donnyman "I'm not sure I ever got a genuine debate from you. Let's just leave it there.............'"
I asked two genuine questions and you continue to dodge.
Why do you continue to champion Bradford when they don't have backers and have gone into administration multiple times when that is the exact thing you have lambasted Toronto and Ottawa for almost on a daily basis?
You're either running from a debate you can't handle or you're in a hypocritical pickle.
You choose.
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| Quote: The Silent H "I asked two genuine questions and you continue to dodge.
Why do you continue to champion Bradford when they don't have backers and have gone into administration multiple times when that is the exact thing you have lambasted Toronto and Ottawa for almost on a daily basis?
You're either running from a debate you can't handle or you're in a hypocritical pickle.
You choose.'"
many times you have been asked to provide proof of stability of toronto, ottawa and the that other fable club called new york and failed to even respond and since toronto has failed, ottawa has pulled out and new york is still a website you've fallen into childish teddy throwing act
for once grow up and learn to except that you and many others were wrong
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| Quote: snowie "many times you have been asked to provide proof of stability of toronto, ottawa and the that other fable club called new york and failed to even respond and since toronto has failed, ottawa has pulled out and new york is still a website you've fallen into childish teddy throwing act
for once grow up and learn to except that you and many others were wrong'"
Nice narrative you have got going on here. I think you're trying to rewrite history. Not once have I ever been asked these questions therefore never getting the chance to respond.
Please post the posts that you say I failed to reply to, I think you will be looking for a while.
Love to know why you get so agitated whenever someone catches Donnyman out?
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| Just reading an extract from London on their SL submission, is this a subtle shot at the gobe owner at Leigh (One is a wealthy oil trader the other sells windows);
'It has never been the style of the Broncos to speculate or shout from the roof tops. From our owner David Hughes, a private man, and throughout the rest of our club we pride ourselves on being dignified and respectful and saw no benefit in speaking out on speculation regarding what may or may not happen with the withdrawal of Toronto.'
No videos, no tacky photos on the steps of the RFL.......
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| Quote: The Silent H "Nice narrative you have got going on here. I think you're trying to rewrite history. Not once have I ever been asked these questions therefore never getting the chance to respond.
Please post the posts that you say I failed to reply to, I think you will be looking for a while.
Love to know why you get so agitated whenever someone catches Donnyman out?'"
you flung that teddy to far I'll struggle to catch up to it and if you think I going to sift through other peoples posts you must be joking and have you caught him out you was pre warned but choose to ignore
agitated nar
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| Quote: wire-quin "Just reading an extract from London on their SL submission, is this a subtle shot at the gobe owner at Leigh (One is a wealthy oil trader the other sells windows);
'It has never been the style of the Broncos to speculate or shout from the roof tops. From our owner David Hughes, a private man, and throughout the rest of our club we pride ourselves on being dignified and respectful and saw no benefit in speaking out on speculation regarding what may or may not happen with the withdrawal of Toronto.'
No videos, no tacky photos on the steps of the RFL.......'"
Why are you so obsessed with Leigh Centurions ? Is it because your small club with hardly any fans who play in a shi**y little ground have hardly ever beaten them ?
I'm curious, feel free to elaborate.
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| Quote: Kennedy "Why are you so obsessed with Leigh Centurions ? Is it because your small club with hardly any fans who play in a shi**y little ground have hardly ever beaten them ?
I'm curious, feel free to elaborate.
My curiosity is why London felt the need to include such a comment in their submission. It must be aimed at someone/something.
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| It’d be great to get a team in Sunderland going.
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| Quote: wire-quin "Just reading an extract from London on their SL submission, is this a subtle shot at the gobe owner at Leigh (One is a wealthy oil trader the other sells windows);
'It has never been the style of the Broncos to speculate or shout from the roof tops. From our owner David Hughes, a private man, and throughout the rest of our club we pride ourselves on being dignified and respectful and saw no benefit in speaking out on speculation regarding what may or may not happen with the withdrawal of Toronto.'
No videos, no tacky photos on the steps of the RFL.......'"
Sells windows , and why is how they have earned their wealth relevant - but at least get your facts right or it makes a pi$$ poor point.
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| Quote: wire-quin "Just reading an extract from London on their SL submission, is this a subtle shot at the gobe owner at Leigh (One is a wealthy oil trader the other sells windows);
'It has never been the style of the Broncos to speculate or shout from the roof tops. From our owner David Hughes, a private man, and throughout the rest of our club we pride ourselves on being dignified and respectful and saw no benefit in speaking out on speculation regarding what may or may not happen with the withdrawal of Toronto.'
No videos, no tacky photos on the steps of the RFL.......'"
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| Quote: wire-quin "My curiosity is why London felt the need to include such a comment in their submission. It must be aimed at someone/something.
It's because they share your obsession, and jealousy of the Leigh Centurions, hence your comment >> is this a subtle shot at the gobe owner at Leigh? This is not at all necessary owd lad. Just remember, this gobe owner of Leigh you talk about, has just donated £7,000 + another £2,000 today to the Kev Sinfield ,Rob burrow MND cause. I think you need a good sit down pal.
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| Quote: wire-quin "Just reading an extract from London on their SL submission, is this a subtle shot at the gobe owner at Leigh (One is a wealthy oil trader the other sells windows);
'It has never been the style of the Broncos to speculate or shout from the roof tops. From our owner David Hughes, a private man, and throughout the rest of our club we pride ourselves on being dignified and respectful and saw no benefit in speaking out on speculation regarding what may or may not happen with the withdrawal of Toronto.'
No videos, no tacky photos on the steps of the RFL.......'"
What a shame..
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