But there is ' personal choice ' , or in your world maybe there isn't

There is personal choice indeed, and i have no criticism of a persons personal choice

What i would say however. Is there is still no positive reason for that person to make that choice.

Which shows we have a problem.

If we have no Gay Players, we have a problem

If we have Gay players but they feel the need to hide their sexuality, we still have a problem

That persons choice is their choice and their choice only, The fact they needed to make that choice at all is our problem

As i said, Disappointing

Bill it seems you are being accused of being homophobic , I had all this on the sin bin when I was accused of being racist , it is of course the easiest way to go when the argument is lost

The only reason myself and Bill have commented on this thread is because it had decsended from a discussion initially about RU [ normally locked or moved immiediatley ] to a discussion about sexuality in children , both subjects not relevant to RL , no matter how much you try to pretend they are

The VT is after all a board to discuss RL issues , not other spots or sexual matters , we have other boards for those subjects

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Does that apply to Rugby Union threads too? Or articles about Rugby Union blaming Rugby League for its problems or authors of articles about Rugby Union blaming Rugby League for its problems?

No, but Starbug's seen this thread and it's content plenty of times, so why does he continue to open the thread and complain about it?

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Smoking jackets and cravats went out a long time ago Wheels , you really do need to find a new tailor [ you could do with a shave as well

It would seem so, however my lesbian daughter and her gay friends might argue with that.

As is often the case Smokey is arguing a completely different point to the one actually being discussed i.e. the sexual awareness (or lack of) in children 8 or 9 years old.

I have done no such thing.

And ignore it if you want, but homosexuality in RL is an issue to be discussed. And Children are an important part of the RL community, and their experiences are also important

no it wouldnt.

I have said no such thing. Though you may want to discuss with your daughter how you use very loaded terms like 'perverted' in this context.

The point at which you interjected was about the awareness of sexuality in children of 8/9 years old. So exactly what point are you making about that? And in what way does my opinion of the lack of sexual awareness in 8/9 year olds "disappoint" you? What is the attitude that is "still as rife as it is"?

which i addressed

that whilst a child of 8/9 may or may not be aware of its sexuality. It is an age where opinions are starting to be formed. And pretending homosexuality doesnt exist to a child this age gives the impression it is something to be hidden and by extension something bad. These are things that can have a very strong effect on a gay persons life. Especially in the hyper-masculine world of rugby league

That a child knowing its sexuality is perverted. And making a frankly quite disgusting assumption that any child of 8/9 who does know they are gay has been 'abused'

Attitudes like those i have listed above. Along with the pervading attitude that homosexuality has to be kept private