I'm sorry but you're wrong. I neither said nor implied, at any point in this thread, that every NRL player is superior to every SL player.

What I'm saying - which is quite clear if you'd care to read - is that NRL players are (generally) superior athletes and have superior skills than SL players. My posts aren't complicated or confusing.

I suppose you would also like to me to start - or end - every sentence with 'in my opinion', just on the off chance that some semi-literate members wrongly assume I'm promoting my statements as fact?

Gareth Ellis is a far superior player to Hoffman and was when he was here in this country.

And if you read carefully, you will see that I have said that is far too sweeping a statement

Sure some NRL players are better athletes that Super League players but equally, some SL players are better than NRL players

I can honestly say that watching the NRL Grand Final this morning that the players were not clearly more athletic than the Wigan and Saints players the day before (the player I have mentioned before, George Rose, would be a laughing stock in SL)

28 thousand post later and you still retain the ability to talk .

It would be simpler if, rather than throw a little hissy fit because people didn't guess the qualification to a statement which you didn't qualify if you simply qualify your statements if they require qualification.

To put 'in my opinion' at the end of your statement wouldn't have qualified it in the way you wanted to qualify it. What you needed to say was 'in general......' or 'for the most part...........' in which case you would have used the words you needed to use to express what you were trying to express just on the off-chance our fully literate members couldn't be bothered deciphering your semi-literate nonsense.

I was talking about young Josh Hoffman, the fullback for the Brisbane Broncos. Ellis is indeed a better player than Ryan Hoffman. BUT Ellis, while being a world class player before the NRL, has certainly improved with the Wests Tigers.

smokey i'm so glad i unlocked that post

While I realise I am on hiding to nothing here because you seem to have a very high regard for all things NRL... it is not at all certain that Ellis has improved during his time with Wests – in fact, as an attacking player I think his game has gone backwards in recent years

Mate, what you say doesn't matter. I made no sweeping statements. If you believe I have then, quite clearly, you don't understand what a sweeping statement is.

It's not equal, either. MOST NRL players are more athletic and skillful than MOST SL players.

It's obvious you live in some sort of parallel universe, where SL isn't a semi-pro competition when compared to the NRL.

George Rose is fat, but also a quality player. Far more out of place in the NRL than he would be in the SL. You have 1 example of some bloke who's fat, that's it - A single player.

While Rose might be a laughing stock in the SL, to most NRL players, the SL as a competition is a laughing stock.

Sam Tomkins is better than Josh Hoffman.

The best of Australia is better than the best of the UK. They have more strength in depth, but there are clearly a huge amount of SL players better than their NRL counterparts. Tomkins, Mcguire, Sinfield, O'Loughlin, Hall, Briscoe, Peacock, Graham, Roby, Pryce, Carvell, etc would all be among the better players in the NRL. Probably not the best, probably not up there with the Cam Smiths, Inglis', Scotts, Thaidays, Gallens, but most of them would be in or knocking on the door of Origin.

His game hasn't gone backwards, he's aged - There's a difference. Talent doesn't dissolve. If he's lost anything on attack it's through age. Regardless, he's a much better forward for his NRL experience.

You must not watch NRL or you're quite obviously blinded by your hatred of the NRL.

I would say Ellis is a far better player now because he's being coached better,because the intensity is much greater and because when players and coaches push the rules to the max everyone else tries to out wit each other instead of constantly moaning.

I didn't say Josh Hoffman was better than Tomkins... I was remarking on the ATHLETICISM of NRL players! While Tomkins might be a better player, he isn't 1/10th of the athlete of Hoffman.

You're also absolutely kidding yourself! Half the blokes you mentioned would be second-string players in the NRL.

The only man on your list I would want at the Warriors is James Graham, and only James Graham. Nobody else is good enough to displace anybody in the Warriors team, and most NRL teams are just like the Warriors.

Do you seriously think Tomkins is better than Locke at FB? Tomkins is nothing, he's a prototype Josh Dugan with only half the athleticism.

Hand on heart there is nobody in your list I'd want at my team, never mind these blokes being better than their NRL counterparts. It's like argueing the best Championship players are better than their Premier League counterparts. Pull your finger out, mate.

and you end up with a PTB which is an absolute mes and a lottery to referee. As bad as our game is refereed, our ptb (whilst it still has big issues) is a million times cleaner and more consistant than the NRL's

No. It's glaringly obvious for anyone who can read that I'm speaking in both generalities and in my own opinion. I wouldn't be giving another persons opinion, after all.

I write for a living, my posts are clear enough. Don't try to spin your clutching-at-straws - failing, in your efforts, I might add - as illiteracy on my behalf.

It's also a million times slower. Of course, you need some excuse for our defeats in the Four Nations so best to put it out there now, ey?

no, you said no English players were as explosive as Tupou, Hoffman or Uate and that SL players have less skill. Look you said it here. Tomkins is more skillful, certainly doesnt struggle with the physicality or athleticism or the game. He is an all round better player than Hoffman.

James Roby is a much better player than Michael Ennis, James Graham is a much better player than Trent Merrin, Carvell and Peacock, even at this stage of their careers are better players than Tim Mannah, they are better players than current SoO players.

If you would take Aaron Heremaia over James Roby you're a moron.

If you truly believe that, then you are beyond help.

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I highly doubt someone who writes for a living would struggle so much, and have such an aversion to qualifying statements which they want to be qualified and expect people to simply assume that qualification. I also highly doubt anybody who writes for a living would have written this sentence 'Don't try to spin your clutching-at-straws - failing, in your efforts, I might add - as illiteracy on my behalf.' which is just absolute nonsense.

Unless of course your 'writing for a living' is signing your dole cheque?

Yes, and I stand by what I said because it's fact. We don't have English players who are as athletic as Tupou, Hoffman and Uate, and SL players are less skillful than NRL players.

Roby is not better than Ennis. Peacock and Carvell are not better than Mannah. But yes, Graham is better than Merrin. That's hardly an achievement, Graham is one of the best League players in the world and Merrin is a 3rd-rate NRL player who has nothing to offer.

And I wouldn't like Heremaia, as he's , which is why we've canned him. The Warriors have Nathan Friend and Alehana Mara, why would I want to punt on somebody like Roby who's done nothing of merit in his career? If James Roby played for Catalans nobody would rate him, he's enjoyed the luxury of playing in one of the SL's most dominant clubs, in a competition that's not even half of what the NRL is.

If Roby was that good he wouldn't be playing in front of blokes with flat caps. He'd be in the NRL, tearing up. Strange that he isn't.

LOL @ James Roby... Saints fan much?

You have NFI what a sweeping statement is, do you? Here's some advice, educate yourself on what you're saying before you actually say it!

Me, or anyone else saying that MOST NRL players are better than most SL players is NOT, even in the slightest, a sweeping statement. You have no clue what a sweeping statement is! I'm embarrassed for you.

Oh please, shut up. You've embarrassed yourselves enough. The statement you just quoted, while strung together poorly - What can I say, I've been drinking - is both punctually and grammatically correct.

The simple fact is I don't need to end my posts with a foot note stating that my statements are written from both my opinion and in generalities. If I believed that every NRL player was better than every SL player, that's what I'd have ing said. It seems clear to everyone but RLFAN members who happen to disagree with my viewpoint, strangely enough.

I did not say that every NRL player is better than every SL player - Full stop. If you believe I did it's because you cannot read... Sorry to tell you.

If you really were a professional writer I'm sure you would know that is a subjective premise and as such an opinion. Not fact.

Graham isnt a little better, he is comfortably better, Merrin wouldnt be a front-line prop at any of the top 8 clubs yet he is an SoO player. Peacock and Carvell are comfortably better than Mannah who would struggle to get in the England squad. Yet he is also a current SoO player.






James Roby is comfortably better than Heremaia, a player who has just played for a team in the NRL GF. Roby is by far, comfortably better than Friend or Mara. James Roby is probably the 2nd best hooker in RL right now. He is a better player than Danny Buderus who, having played well but not set SL on fire, will return to the knights next season at the age of 34.
You see a professional writer would have recognised and seen the obvious flaw in the circularity of your premise.

Not even a little.

It may be punctually and grammatically correct. Its just unfortunate that the words you have put together and in the order you have put them together makes no sense whatsoever.

Nobody has argued that the views you expressed aren't your opinion, I'm at a loss as to who you are arguing that point with? And you are correct you don't need to end your posts with a footnote (a professional writer would surely have known footnote was one word wouldn't they?), people would be happy if you just said what you actually meant. If you mean 'in general NRL players are better than SL players' then say 'in general NRL players are better than SL players' nobody would argue that point, nobody would have thought you meant all players and you would have avoided being shown up for a complete nincompoop and someone pretending to be a professional writer. But you didnt.

I haven't said you did. If you believe I did it's because you cannot read...Sorry to tell you.