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| Quote ="vastman"Yep and look how that ended.
Do you expansionists never learn, how monumentally stupid and easily swayed are you sheep. How many paid anywhere near full price and how many would actually turn up week on week, get real.
Seriously you want to jettison a real club like Cas for a fantasy team like Tolouse - people on the VT, press and Redhall won't be happy until they have finally destroyed this great game.'"
FYI, Cas had 3k at one game this year  In all seriousness i like Castelford, one of the best junior developments in tha game. Play entertaining rugby and great atmosphere at their ground.
However i can't see why Toulouse shouldn't be allowed in. They probably won't get 15k every game, but even if they get half that, that is a lot more than a lot of other heartland clubs. It will also help the French national team which will in turn help the international game which will make the sport stronger.
I also agree with Headhunter, unless we bring back P&R, the sport will be in a lot of trouble.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"FYI, Cas had 3k at one game this year
In all seriousness i like Castelford, one of the best junior developments in tha game. Play entertaining rugby and great atmosphere at their ground.
However i can't see why Toulouse shouldn't be allowed in. They probably won't get 15k every game, but even if they get half that, that is a lot more than a lot of other heartland clubs. It will also help the French national team which will in turn help the international game which will make the sport stronger.
I also agree with Headhunter, unless we bring back P&R, the sport will be in a lot of trouble.'"
I was quite surprised with the low turnout of cas fans at the game on Friday night, their first game at home since may 5th and a little over 6,000 attended with a good two to two and half thousand from hull!
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Just a quick question Fully.
Do you think that Catalan have been good for SL, or do you think that they shouldn't be playing in the comp ?
Although there is an argument that we should leave the French to sort themselves out, there are clear benefits for the game to have France as a strong RL playing nation.
Leaving them to play in their own competition wont move the game forward. However, including Catalan and Toulouse (if they are admitted) helps the French, which in the longer term can only be a good thing for the sport.'"
I think they have been OK - I wouldn't say they have been a revelation. After all, since their inception in 2006 they've finished bottom of the league twice and only a couple of seasons have they looked capable of challenging.
I think having one French team has been a good decision in the short-term, however, I think the ONLY way that France will progress as a national team is a strong domestic competition.
If Toulouse and Catalan can draw a TV deal playing in a professional competition like Super League, I am sure they will be equally drawn on a fully professional French competition along with sponsors.
It may take time but Super League is hardly a glowing blueprint for a competition. But aspiring French kids have only got Catalan as an option to showcase their skills. Imagine having 10 clubs to choose from across the South of France with real derbies.
I think the longevity of the game relies on strong domestic competition - not some ill-thought out plan to parachute random European clubs in to this competition.
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| Quote ="vastman"Yep and look how that ended.
Do you expansionists never learn, how monumentally stupid and easily swayed are you sheep. How many paid anywhere near full price and how many would actually turn up week on week, get real.
Seriously you want to jettison a real club like Cas for a fantasy team like Tolouse - people on the VT, press and Redhall won't be happy until they have finally destroyed this great game.'"
Not necessarily Castleford. I'd rather see the RFL remove poorly run clubs that have previously cheated the competition by spending their cash on players rather than their tax bills. You know, like Wakefield.
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| Quote ="vastman"Yep and look how that ended.
Do you expansionists never learn, how monumentally stupid and easily swayed are you sheep. How many paid anywhere near full price and how many would actually turn up week on week, get real.
Seriously you want to jettison a real club like Cas for a fantasy team like Tolouse - people on the VT, press and Redhall won't be happy until they have finally destroyed this great game.'"
Not necessarily Castleford. I'd rather see the RFL remove poorly run clubs that have previously cheated the competition by spending their cash on players rather than their tax bills. You know, like Wakefield.
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| Quote ="Fully"I think they have been OK - I wouldn't say they have been a revelation. After all, since their inception in 2006 they've finished bottom of the league twice and only a couple of seasons have they looked capable of challenging.
I think having one French team has been a good decision in the short-term, however, I think the ONLY way that France will progress as a national team is a strong domestic competition.
If Toulouse and Catalan can draw a TV deal playing in a professional competition like Super League, I am sure they will be equally drawn on a fully professional French competition along with sponsors.
It may take time but Super League is hardly a glowing blueprint for a competition. But aspiring French kids have only got Catalan as an option to showcase their skills. Imagine having 10 clubs to choose from across the South of France with real derbies.
I think the longevity of the game relies on strong domestic competition - not some ill-thought out plan to parachute random European clubs in to this competition.'" If you're willing to invest the €30,000,000 needed to create a full-time French Elite competition then go ahead 
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| Quote ="vastman"Yep and look how that ended.'"
I think he was taking the p*ss, fella.
Quote ="vastman"Do you expansionists never learn, how monumentally stupid and easily swayed are you sheep. How many paid anywhere near full price and how many would actually turn up week on week, get real.'"
So without any info whatsoever, you've made your mind up. Why get real when you can just bag any good news instead?
Quote ="vastman"Seriously you want to jettison a real club like Cas for a fantasy team like Tolouse - people on the VT, press and Redhall won't be happy until they have finally destroyed this great game.'"
In what way are Toulouse a fantasy team? Last time I checked they've been around since 1937 - a whole 11 years less than Castleford.
Were Catalans a fantasy team too? Are Castleford more of a real club than them?
I could understand if someone was suggesting Paris again, or Edinburgh or Dublin. But Toulouse is an established RL area with a club that doesn't have a competition to meet its ambition. They aren't a pin on a map.
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| Catalans has been a smashing success in Super League. It has built a solid hard core of around 7,000 supporters, with a soft core of 1,000 - 1,500. It has built a player roster that enables it to compete at the upper tier of the competition. It has uncovered lots of French talent, from Thomas Bosc and Remi Casty among the now older players, to Morgan Escare, and Eloi Pelissier among the younger players. Most interesting it has developed a previously marginal mid-career semi-pro French Elite 1 player, Kevin Larroyer, into a top class Super League professional talent.
Toulouse has the potential to be even more powerful. This is because it has access to so much more than Catalans in terms of financial resources, and pools of playing talent and spectators. So long as it starts out with a good Australian coach, it can build a playing roster that will keep it off the bottom of the Super League table from the start, and within five years become a talent recruiting, high performance powerhouse. In other words, by 2020 it should be challenging Wigan, Warrington, Leeds, Catalans, etc. for the top spots on the Super League ladder. There is little doubt in my mind that Toulouse will become a Super League glamour team within a short space of time.
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Not necessarily Castleford. I'd rather see the RFL remove poorly run clubs that have previously cheated the competition by spending their cash on players rather than their tax bills. You know, like Wakefield.'"
Won't removing us once do for you
I'm not against the idea of Toulouse coming in, if they are ready to do so.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"
In what way are Toulouse a fantasy team? Last time I checked they've been around since 1937 - a whole 11 years less than Castleford.
Were Catalans a fantasy team too? Are Castleford more of a real club than them?
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Indeed, they're also older than Workington, Whitehaven, Sheffield, Doncaster, and of course London.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE" There is little doubt in my mind that Toulouse will become a Super League glamour team within a short space of time.'"
Somebody has drunk too much wine and eaten too much cheese 
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Not necessarily Castleford. I'd rather see the RFL remove poorly run clubs that have previously cheated the competition by spending their cash on players rather than their tax bills. You know, like Wakefield.'"
Or like Leeds did pre Caddick, or Bradford have just done or Hull KR or Huddersfield Barracudas or Hull Sharks (Lloyd days) Wigan after Maurice or Widnes pre Stobart or shall I go on....
...the problem with you and your ilk is your very short and selective memories.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Billy was being sarcastic Vasty. But I get your sentiment.'"
Yup I guessed that, should have been clearer 
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| Quote ="vastman"Or like Leeds did pre Caddick, or Bradford have just done or Hull KR or Huddersfield Barracudas or Hull Sharks (Lloyd days) Wigan after Maurice or Widnes pre Stobart or shall I go on....
...the problem with you and your ilk is your very short and selective memories.
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I think you'll find that Leeds paid their debts, unlike Wakefield.
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| Quote ="Him"I think you'll find that Leeds paid their debts, unlike Wakefield.'"
Of course they did.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Of course they did.'"
Of course, that’s what Leeds do, pay their debts.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Of course, that’s what Leeds do, pay their debts.'"
Ah yes, up pops Smokey. To prove a point without actually proving it!
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Ah yes, up pops Smokey. To prove a point without actually proving it!'"
What point would you like me to prove? I agreed with you, Leeds paid their debts.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"What point would you like me to prove? I agreed with you, Leeds paid their debts.'"
No you didn't. You only proved you are the dullest poster on here. Something you do time and time again.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"No you didn't. You only proved you are the dullest poster on here. Something you do time and time again.'"
Its not the local board for local people over here sweetheart, unlike the wakefield board there are actual real life other people here and your little band of morons get pulled up when they are making things up.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Its not the local board for local people over here sweetheart, there are actual real life other people, and your little band of morons get pulled up when they are making things up.'"
 Truth hurts eh? Nice little outburst.
May I suggest some time away from the computer? Try the real world for a bit.
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| You can suggest whatever you like, you can do it on the Wakefield board, as many people will read it on there as will care about it here. 
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| Quote ="Wildthing"No you didn't. You only proved you are the dullest poster on here. Something you do time and time again.'"
Great comeback...
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| But what about Toulouse? Isn't that the real issue?
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| Anyway, lets move passed Wildthing’s playground insults, and weird Wakefield bitterness. Leeds paid all their debts by the way.
Toulouse. Big, rich city, rich rugby history and RL history, great attendance sows great potential. Wonderful opportunity for the game. Maybe when fans of RL stop being so negative and pessimistic about the game, the media will too.
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