Having now reflected on things, I think NZ look well placed in terms of building for 2021 and will be a force to be reckoned with. Not sure about England - there were some positive signs with some of the younger players but are there enough of them of sufficient quality to replace the old guard?

In 2018, the score is England 3, New Zealand 1. England, missing 5 or maybe 6 first choice players had a couple of early calls from Sutton go against them and as such, once the Kiwis got ahead, it was game over in the 3rd test, but nobody cared because the series was in the bag.

Jean is an Australian and he will be feeling butt hurt, because on the results this year, England v Australia at a neutral venue would be too hard to call......and as an Oker he hates the fact that decades of Kangaroo Dominance are in peril. If you thin the ARL refusing to play GB next year is anything other than a rejection of giving the England players the chance to get the edge over an Aussie side in its infancy the you're in denial.

And, for the record. I am Irish......I have no love of anything whether English nor British, but I know a troll when I see one and Jean is a past master of posting threads and comments designed to wind people up. The reality is that in 2018 England have hammered NZ.......him saying "if only" is just trolling.

Sam Burgess
James Graham
Stefan Ratchford
Elliot Whitehead
James Roby
Richie Myler
Luke Gayle
Ryan Hall
Johnny Lomax
Jermaine McGillvray
Josh Hodgson
Sean O Loughlin
Sam Tomkins
Gareth Widdop


All those will be aged between 30 to 36 years of age by 2021. We have 14 players there with loads of experience, how are the younger players going to replace them in just over 2 years with very little internationals being played.

The England Knights against PNG has only produced a couple of promising players but OZ and NZ have been blooding there young players now against the top international sides. We will very quickly be needing 2 half backs and about 5 forwards to get us into the next world cup just to be competitive.

Probably missed their man-mountain Asofa-Solomona in their pack too!

I think Williams has been average all series. He has the Shaun Edwards impression off to a tee - lots of short, quick steps while the upper body moves from side to side but the lower body doesn't side step, run 10m then give out a short pass to someone in no space.

You've got laugh at these delusional Wakey fans.

After their crying over the selection of Makinson ahead of their beloved Johnstone, and Makinson since shutting them firmly up, over on their site they've now moved on to criticise the continued presence of George Williams in the England side and believe Ryan Hampshire should be ahead of him in the pecking order.

Wigan got rid of Hampshire and kept Williams so that ends that argument.

Eh? show me where these fans say that and also it's good to tell you didn't read the thread properly.

You really are coming over as someone a bit obsessed about Trinity, just about every one of your posts is related to having pots shots at Wakey but yet bring little else to the table.

and you think you've got room to laugh at anyone else, classic.

Classic Wakefield fans

That Williams v Hampshire thread really is comedy gold.

One Wakefield idiot who was slagging off Danny Richardson hilariously claimed Saints fans were calling for him all season to be dropped and we all wanted Matty Smith back in the side.

Now none of my Saints supporting friends, people I sit near at the match, posters on here or on redvee ever wanted Smith back in the side so I don't know where that clown was getting his info from.

If you have an issue with what I have wrote why not be constructive and reply to my actual post rather than going behind my back and insulting me, calling me an idiot on the here for no apparent reason? You scared little man. If you read my post and actually go on the independent saints forum you would see that I was 100% correct in what I was saying, you can even go back to multiple threads on there and look for yourself.. it's no secret, il send you the link to your own forum in a PM if your too much of an "idiot to get to it yourself, idiot.

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nice, not wrong, Neil Holding another like that as well.

You can send me as many links as you want but they don't even exist. I don't know anyone wanted Smith back in the side. Saying that just suited your 'Danny Richardson is crap' argument which had even your fellow Wakefield fans laughing at you.

For the record Richardson copped a lot of criticism on redvee after the semi final loss to Wire but Saints fans calling for him to be dropped all season (even when he and we were playing well) is just total bull.

If you're going to come out with idiotic statements like that I'll call you an idiot because you clearly are one.

Lol@wakefield fans. First we had bill tupou was better than barba. Then it was Johnstone is better than the golden boot winner. Next it was the guy not deemed good enough for Wigan reserves, Ryan Hampshire is better than the current England number 6, George Williams! What next? Wakefield and it’s council eastate esq stand behind the sticks is better than old Trafford?