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| Quote ="Mash Butty"Do you think union will take him in?'"
He's in the right place, "a good family club"
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Yeah, and what did Wakefield do with those two? Sacked them immediately on the eve of probably the most important game in the clubs history.
I don`t expect Wigan to sack him at all, they knew what they was getting with him, nothing has changed apart from another chance to add to his last chance list.
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Yeah, and what did Wakefield do with those two? Sacked them immediately on the eve of probably the most important game in the clubs history.
I don`t expect Wigan to sack him at all, they knew what they was getting with him, nothing has changed apart from another chance to add to his last chance list.
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| If they keep him it shows Ian Lenagans' comments on the last chance were meaningless, sacrificing a great deal of credibility for a wretch that's let every person that has given him the next last chance and let them down odds on Lenagans the next
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can I ask whats your thoughts on you've put on seeing a video of the two involved, we already know the out come on what our club did, would you of taken a different line having one of the most important games coming up or would of risked playing them saying that they needed help and give them a last chance.
be honest with answer
I personally thought it was very brave of our club to take the stance that they did, having owned a brewery and supplying beer to the public I did encounter thoughts about the ones that couldn't handle their beverages and went OTT, not only alcoholics but the ones that just don't care about others and then proceeded to drive.
I would be a liar if I said I have never drunk and then driven in my younger days, others also should hold their hand up too.
habits change and I learned,
now Zac
its been well known he's had his troubles in the past and suffered for being in the highlight but the guy know doesn't understand, if he's just going to go from trouble to trouble without someone stopping him he will never learn. he's so lucky that this could of had him up in prison had he killed someone, my verdict would be good bye Zac the sport doesn't need you, sorry you've had more than one chance
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can I ask whats your thoughts on you've put on seeing a video of the two involved, we already know the out come on what our club did, would you of taken a different line having one of the most important games coming up or would of risked playing them saying that they needed help and give them a last chance.
be honest with answer
I personally thought it was very brave of our club to take the stance that they did, having owned a brewery and supplying beer to the public I did encounter thoughts about the ones that couldn't handle their beverages and went OTT, not only alcoholics but the ones that just don't care about others and then proceeded to drive.
I would be a liar if I said I have never drunk and then driven in my younger days, others also should hold their hand up too.
habits change and I learned,
now Zac
its been well known he's had his troubles in the past and suffered for being in the highlight but the guy know doesn't understand, if he's just going to go from trouble to trouble without someone stopping him he will never learn. he's so lucky that this could of had him up in prison had he killed someone, my verdict would be good bye Zac the sport doesn't need you, sorry you've had more than one chance
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| Quote ="snowie"can I ask whats your thoughts on you've put on seeing a video of the two involved, we already know the out come on what our club did, would you of taken a different line having one of the most important games coming up or would of risked playing them saying that they needed help and give them a last chance.
be honest with answer
I personally thought it was very brave of our club to take the stance that they did, having owned a brewery and supplying beer to the public I did encounter thoughts about the ones that couldn't handle their beverages and went OTT, not only alcoholics but the ones that just don't care about others and then proceeded to drive.
I would be a liar if I said I have never drunk and then driven in my younger days, others also should hold their hand up too.
habits change and I learned,
now Zac
its been well known he's had his troubles in the past and suffered for being in the highlight but the guy know doesn't understand, if he's just going to go from trouble to trouble without someone stopping him he will never learn. he's so lucky that this could of had him up in prison had he killed someone, my verdict would be good bye Zac the sport doesn't need you, sorry you've had more than one chance'"
I think its time to wrap up this thread and wait for Hardaker to do something stupid again and we wont have to wait long
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| I believe it's still a valid thread until Wigan confirm that idiot boy remains with them or not as the case may be. If it's yes he's staying we can then sit back and wait for the further misadventures of Idiot Boy
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| Quote ="RickK"I believe it's still a valid thread until Wigan confirm that idiot boy remains with them or not as the case may be. If it's yes he's staying we can then sit back and wait for the further misadventures of Idiot Boy'"
The sad thing is that even if Wigan dump him he will still be playing somewhere in superleague next year.
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| That may longer be a given, he will need to get back some credibility as an individually and a sportsman, the alleged comment that he was seen drunk at the Grand Final says much about his approach, not played for over a year, does not appear to have put much into keeping trim and fit, again allegedly, fleeing the law does not count as training. I'd say Idiot Boy has much to do before he's worth a punt by a League 1 Club never mind an SL team.
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Ancient and Loyal.
Right decision imo. He needs professional help and that is what the club have arranged for him, so well done Wigan.
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Ancient and Loyal.
Right decision imo. He needs professional help and that is what the club have arranged for him, so well done Wigan.
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| 7th time lucky
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| Ancient and Loyal.
Right decision imo. He needs professional help and that is what the club have arranged for him, so well done Wigan.'"
Do you think the others haven't tried to help?
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| Quote ="RickK"Do you think the others haven't tried to help?'"
IL appears to think not - he alludes in the statement that it "could and should" have been dealt with before; it's almost as if the adult man himself has no responsibility for his repeated misdemeanours, and it's all because other adult humans haven't taken charge of his life.
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| Quote ="RickK":dun846hiAncient and Loyal.
Right decision imo. He needs professional help and that is what the club have arranged for him, so well done Wigan.'"
exactly he has had plenty of help and plenty chances, he will keep screwing up because he does not care, he says what he is told to say, and acts like he is remorseful, but less than 12 months it took him to screw up again when he should have been getting his head down and keeping out of trouble, but instead he decided to spend a year our on the back snorting coke (well why not i'm already banned for it) and when he screws up again at Wigan they will say " this is your last chance" honestly be better for the game if union came in for him get rid of him completely.
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| I'm guessing Wigan have insisted on him going to Rehab, but hopefully he wants do so as well.
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"I'm guessing Wigan have insisted on him going to Rehab, but hopefully he wants do so as well.'"
That is the point you can provide help but if the person does not want or cannot accept the help there is nothing you can do.
I do not believe that Leeds and Cas offered no help to try to turn him around so they could benefit from his immense talent
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| Quote ="RickK":146edb46Ancient and Loyal.
Right decision imo. He needs professional help and that is what the club have arranged for him, so well done Wigan.'"
They probably have provided help but this rehab option appears not to have been included.
Don't know if it will work but it's at least worth a shot, not only because of his talent but for him personally.
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| Quote ="bren2k"IL appears to think not - he alludes in the statement that it "could and should" have been dealt with before; it's almost as if the adult man himself has no responsibility for his repeated misdemeanours, and it's all because other adult humans haven't taken charge of his life.'"
Quite ‘classy’ of Wigan to try shift some of the blame on his former clubs.
Leeds sent him to anger management to no apparent avail and had him doing coaching with LGBT rugby teams after his homosexual insult incident. Maybe Leeds could’ve sent him to rehab for his drinking but maybe it wasn’t at the same level in 2014/15/16 as it is now in 2018 and him not being able to play.
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| Wigan are giving him the best chance of rehabilitation by sending him for a residential stay at the Sporting Chance clinic. It might not work, but it’s the best chance he’s got. Unfortunately he’s in the bracket of those who it is most difficult to rehabilitate - an alcoholic under the age of 30.
Poor form for Wigan to insult his previous clubs. He was the model professional at Cas until his ban. There were no signs of any problems over his nine months at the club before his moment of madness.
Leeds gave him professional support when he was there when it was needed too.
It’s quite possible he’s become addicted to alcohol during his suspension as he hasn’t had the focus of professional RL and the need to be in training in a daily basis. Nor has he had the influence of other professional athletes, but has spent all his time with his “mates” from outside RL. Seems strange for Wigan to be throwing insults at Leeds and Cas when they’ve signed a player with well-known mental health issues who is only available because he’s been banned for taking class A after a drinking binge. What exactly were they expecting?
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| I believe booze was involved in in his original published incident with the student resolved with an 'sorry letter' and a some cash compensation for the student, so maybe the alcohol is a recurring theme and not a result of his white powder playtime and subsequent quite lenient 14 month ban, pity his mates and family didn't rally round and get him to keep fit and ready to step back into sport. IDIOT BOY the sad saga continues
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| Quote ="RickK"I believe booze was involved in in his original published incident with the student resolved with an 'sorry letter' and a some cash compensation for the student, so maybe the alcohol is a recurring theme and not a result of his white powder playtime and subsequent quite lenient 14 month ban, pity his mates and family didn't rally round and get him to keep fit and ready to step back into sport. IDIOT BOY the sad saga continues'"
His mates are his biggest barrier to overcoming his problems. Hopefully his stint in rehab will help him realise that walking away from them gives him a better chance of staying off the booze. The acid test is whether he can walk away from his old lifestyle. Only time will tell on that one.
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| He's not permanently drunk he makes a decision to drink so I'd say IDIOT BOY is his own biggest barrier to not being an idiot, no a really good word when used correctly
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Wigan are giving him the best chance of rehabilitation by sending him for a residential stay at the Sporting Chance clinic. It might not work, but it’s the best chance he’s got. Unfortunately he’s in the bracket of those who it is most difficult to rehabilitate - an alcoholic under the age of 30.
Poor form for Wigan to insult his previous clubs. He was the model professional at Cas until his ban. There were no signs of any problems over his nine months at the club before his moment of madness.
Leeds gave him professional support when he was there when it was needed too.
It’s quite possible he’s become addicted to alcohol during his suspension as he hasn’t had the focus of professional RL and the need to be in training in a daily basis. Nor has he had the influence of other professional athletes, but has spent all his time with his “mates” from outside RL. Seems strange for Wigan to be throwing insults at Leeds and Cas when they’ve signed a player with well-known mental health issues who is only available because he’s been banned for taking class A after a drinking binge. What exactly were they expecting?'"
Spot on. If these issues “could and should have been confronted already” then why didn’t they do it themselves? He signed back in May and they were talking to him for a few months previously, so why did it take them several months and a serious incident to take this course of action?
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Spot on. If these issues “could and should have been confronted already” then why didn’t they do it themselves? He signed back in May and they were talking to him for a few months previously, so why did it take them several months and a serious incident to take this course of action?'"
Because Lenagan wasn't wriggling around trying to save face back then? Just a wild guess, like.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Because Lenagan wasn't wriggling around trying to save face back then? Just a wild guess, like.'"
Yep. Lenagan proving he’s still an arrogant pillock. It’s a ridiculous statement from Wigan that makes them look weak to the rest of the sport.
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