Has Charnley played in the first team for Wigan?

Joel is only 22. Hardly what you'd call experienced. As well as Tuson and Farrell we've had Stefan Marsh, Johnny Walker and Ben Davies make first team debuts this season as well as Josh Chranley make his Super League debut at on loan at Hull KR. Plus we've got several players out on dual registraion at places like Widnes, Whitehaven and Blackpool

That wasn't the question, the poster asked who had broken through!

I don't mean anybody who is dual registered. I did initially mean those who had played for Wigan but I'll give you Charnley as he's playing SL rugby.

He's made 97 first team appearances over the course of 6 seasons - that's experienced to me.

So six first team debutants is enough fo one season? Or should we have gone with a rookie starting seventeen from round 1?

Lets see if they continue to progress and continue into the first team next season. Six debutants is decent I suppose. Be interesting to compare that to other sides.

Joel Tomkins didn't establish himself as a regular first team player till last season. Harrison Hansen is another who has been brought through by Wigan and Gareth Hock prior to his ban.

Again if you read my posts "Fully" (No pun intended)Madge has handed debuts to Five players this season - Chris Tuson, Liam Farrell, Stefan Marsh, Johnny Walker and Ben Davies.

So running around for Wigan this season we have the regular first team players like Harrison Hansen, Sean O'loughlin, Sam Tomkins, Lee Mossop, Joel Tomkins, Eamon O'carroll, Paul Prescott, Mike McIllorum and Darrell Goulding. Along with the five players who have made their debuts this season along with Shaun Ainscough who has featured once. As a side note, Martin Gleeson and Paul Deacon are both Wigan born. Better than most clubs I would imagine.

Another ten of the 17 were Wigan born/trained players against Hull FC on Friday. That's with only one quota player playing in Mark Riddell. If you're being pedantic Pat Richards and George Carmont also played. Three overseas players then. Again pretty impressive.

If all the other clubs find Thornley that important to England, and Wigan being the only club who does nothing for the England making all the others out there for England...

why didn't anyone else try to sign him?

Obviously if the other clubs wanted to avert this disaster, they could have paid for him?

Because obviously he didn't leave for money or education, he left because Wigan have signed a prop, a second rower and a halfback, which will prevent him playing in the threequarters.

Just get over it, Wigan produce more than enough players to get by, some aren't good enough to make it into our team. Tough.

Good question. If Thornley was all that, then there's plenty of SL clubs in need of british talent in their backs he could've gone to for a reasonable wage. However, if Sale have made on over-the-odds offer, Wigan were right to stand firm.

It wasn't long ago Saints fans were worried about Eastmond being poached by Sale - the concenses was almost unanimous that we shouldn't be held to ransom by an unproven youngster.

And Kyle is still in Super League not playing Rugby Union.

The whole crux of this arguement is that Wigan hide behind the salary cap as the reason for Thornley's departure from the sport, yet they find enough to pay getting on for 10 NRL players.

There is something wrong there.

You reached a compromise 2 year contract deal with Kyle, when there was no offer on the table from an RU club.

Lets see you pull it off again when there's a big value (given his experience level) contract on the table.

This is completely obscene, have any of you actually seen the Wigan squad (highlighted are the ones who have played first team this year?

1. Cameron Phelps - Aussie
2. Amos Roberts - Aussie
3. Martin Gleeson - English
4. George Carmont - Aussie
5. Pat Richards - Aussie/Irish
6. Sam Tomkins - English - Wigan
7. Thomas Leuluai - Kiwi
8. Stuart Fielden - English
9. Mark Riddell - Aussie
10. Andy Coley - English
11. Harrison Hansen - Aussie - Wigan trained
12. Joel Tomkins - English - Wigan
13. Sean O'Loughlin - English - Wigan
14. Paul Prescott - English - Wigan
15. Michael McIlorum - English - Wigan
16. Phil Bailey - Aussie
17. Iafeta Paleaaesina - Kiwi

19. Paul Deacon - English
20. Karl Pryce - English
21. Eamon O'Carroll - English - Wigan
22. Shaun Ainscough English - Wigan
23. Lee Mossop - English - Wigan
24. Darrell Goulding - English - Wigan
25. Liam Farrell - English - Wigan
26. Ben Davies - English - Wigan
27. Stefan Marsh - English - Wigan
28. Joe Mellor - English - Wigan
29. Chris Tuson - English - Wigan
30. Josh Veivers - English - Wigan
31. Josh Charnley - English - Wigan
32. Jonny Walker - English - Wigan
33. Iain Thornley - English - Wigan
34. Neil Holland - English - Wigan

So for those of you who can't count that's; 24 English players, 21 English players that have featured in the Wigan first team this year, 19 Wigan lads in the squad, 14 of which have played in the first team this year. That's ignoring Hansen even though he came through the Wigan academy.

And as for next year we of the 8 none England eligible players 4 of which are likely to leave to be replaced with three; dropping out overseas players by one; all 3 of which are significantly better than the 4 that are leaving.