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| Quote: braytontiger "24 hours on and i still cannot get my head around the decision,i was at the game and never heared nothing all be it i stand at the railway end of the ground but obviously some chants were made.'"
I was also at the game and whilst it was certainly not the whole stand it was loud enough to be heard quite clearly by my wife, son and I on the half way line and I can assure you it wasn't one person it was a group of voices in unison.
Quote: braytontiger "i also find it rather strange that on the signing of gareth thomas some people think that all clubs should have been made aware that homophobic chanting wouldnt be tolerated,should we do the same for black,asian,chinese players or maybe players with a fuller figure than most ?'"
Surely all clubs would be aware owing to the fact they are all signed up to the RESPECT policy?
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| surely clubs are aware of this anyway because they are run by people?
its sad that people are still, even in 2010, trying to equate homophobic and racial discrimination with general insults to lessen the seriousness of the crime.
Their Argument is, if racial discrimination and general insults are the same, calling someone a is no different to calling someone fatty. Its not a huge leap in logic to then say if society isnt offended by calling Ganson a fatty, why should anyone be offended by calling JJB a or Tony Puletua a coon, or Ikram Butt a Paki, or Gareth Thomas a faggot?
yet this ignores the long, horrific, and shameful history of racial and homophobic discrimination and attitudes that these words are remnants and examples of, and as such the greater power they carry.
I think it would be naive to think that these attitudes were always down to naivety, and they arent, on some level, in some cases down to latent racist or homophobic beliefs
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| Quote: Pepe "As I understand it, Castleford are still in the process of finding out who these fans are – no easy task - in an attempt to have the culprits banned'"
It makes it easier when one of the idiots were bragging about it on Facebook then another 7 of the group commented on it, a screenshot quickly found its way to Mr Richard Wright.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "why should anyone be offended by calling JJB a lovely or Tony Puletua a coon, or Ikram Butt a Paki, or Gareth Thomas a faggot?
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Though it's perfectly fine to be racist against the Germans or the French...
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| Nobody has stated what Cas could have done ' on the night ' , and what if this occurence had happened at the KC stadium , the LSV , Stobart or the Keepmoat were the stewarding is not run by the club , would the RFL sue the relevant council's
It's bad enough trying to control a small group of adults , juniors , no chance
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| Quote: belgianxiii "Though it's perfectly fine to be racist against the Germans or the French...'"
Disgusting.
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| Quote: Barry_McKenzie "Disgusting.'"
Or the Aussies for that matter
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| Quote: Gaslight "It makes it easier when one of the idiots were bragging about it on Facebook then another 7 of the group commented on it, a screenshot quickly found its way to Mr Richard Wright.'"
They could brag about it all they want , unless the club have clear video and audio evidence they are on dodgy ground taking any action even to ban them from the ground , a defamation of character case could cost them a fortune
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| Even all this rubbish about getting Cas to go into nthe schools running programs to ' educate ' people , I have no doubt that the kids who were chanting this stuff are most likely not homophobic , but quite simply trying to upset an opposition player by aiming comments to him , something that has been happening in most sports including RL for decades and will continue to happen for ever
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| Quote: Starbug "They could brag about it all they want , unless the club have clear video and audio evidence they are on dodgy ground taking any action even to ban them from the ground , a defamation of character case could cost them a fortune'"
Put it this way, the idiots who done it are stupid, you know the sort with nothing going for them, can't string sentences together etc, defamation is a word they'll have never heard of and I'm pretty sure looking back on the CCTV now they know what they look like will produce said video evidence.
Quote: Starbug "Even all this rubbish about getting Cas to go into nthe schools running programs to ' educate ' people , I have no doubt that the kids who were chanting this stuff are most likely not homophobic , but quite simply trying to upset an opposition player by aiming comments to him , something that has been happening in most sports including RL for decades and will continue to happen for ever'"
Just idiots who found it funny mate, nothing else in it no harm intended, plenty of harm taken.
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| Quote: Gaslight "Or the Aussies for that matter
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| Quote: Barry_McKenzie "For once in your RLFans posting career you have hit the nail on the head mate.
Barry , I've built several fences and sheds with the nails I've posted on here , whats the odds on my post being ignored like so many in the past as there is no argument against it , along with several others already on this very thread
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| Quote: Barry_McKenzie "Thats a good point.
What makes the word 'Paki' for someone from Pakistan any worse than calling someone from Australia 'Aussie'?
I understand the word 'Paki' has long been used as a general term of abuse for someone from the South Asian area... but even if you used the word with no intent to cause offence people would recoil in horror.'"
The intent behind the word.
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| The thing that stands out for me in this thread is the number of "it happens everywhere so it is unfair to fine Cas"
There are two points to remember:
1) Cas have been in trouble recently so have 'prior' to take into consideration (just like when players are before the beak
2) The RFL want to make a point that this behaviour, at any club, is out of line. I think they have got their message across a lot better with this than if they had asked Cas to visit schools and talk about it.
and lastly the fine isn't hurting rugby league, only Cas, though I take your point about the amount being hurtful to a lower club. It would have sunk Wakefield - so I hope we take notice and stop the fans getting out of line too.
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