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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Because the reason owners try and keep a club out of admin isn’t to save their investment of hundreds of thousands, if not millions in the club, its not the professional embarrassment, the only thing that is stopping them is the threat that someone else might buy the club and have a points penalty.'"
Come on Smokey, you're better than that.
RL (and other sports) are struggling with HMRC, due to the numbers of clubs using the admin route to wipe the slate clean, which is why the penalties in the round ball game have increased over recent years.
Are you really saying that clubs avoid admin to prevent their new owners suffering a points deduction.
I know that you like to provoke a reaction on here but, this is just plain bonkers.
Businesses go into admin "to protect the business from its creditors" or occasionally to allow new owners to buy the business for very little but allowing the business to survive.
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| To be fair to Green he appeared to have a very clean plan to buy the Odsal development land.
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International Chairman | 28357 | Bradford Bulls |
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| Smokey, you´re right except that you underestimate the ability of VT buffoons and trolls.
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| When my club, Widnes, went into administration and Steve O'Connor took over, not only did we not get the 9 points back we were deducted but we were denied a place in SL as well.
Cant see any difference between what happened to Widnes and what has happened at Bradford.
For that reason I'm siding with Wakefield.
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| I fail to see why it's become a Bradford v Wakey thing, the RFL have rules, Bradford broke them and suffered the penalty. The new owners bought the club (on the cheap it has to be said) in FULL knowledge of the points deduction. I really can't see their angle, other than, "we are the 5th biggest club and you'd better not punish us".
Sorry to say this, as I quite liked Bradford's embracing of the new SLE era, but, big clubs come and go, just ask Swinton's fans. The RFL appears to have realised that 'massaging' a league to suit investors is actually BAD for the sport, hence London will not be saved from relegation and Bradford will not be given any points back.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Come on Smokey, you're better than that.
RL (and other sports) are struggling with HMRC, due to the numbers of clubs using the admin route to wipe the slate clean, which is why the penalties in the round ball game have increased over recent years.
Are you really saying that clubs avoid admin to prevent their new owners suffering a points deduction.
I know that you like to provoke a reaction on here but, this is just plain bonkers.
Businesses go into admin "to protect the business from its creditors" or occasionally to allow new owners to buy the business for very little but allowing the business to survive.'" no I was being sarcastic, it is, as you say bonkers. So instead of us having these rules which are just plain bonkers, let's have some rules which do what we actually want them to do.
If it is bonkers to think that a points deduction for the new owners is a deterrent to admin, why have them? Why not have an actual deterrent to admin
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| Quote The Horses Mouth="The Horses Mouth"When my club, Widnes, went into administration and Steve O'Connor took over, not only did we not get the 9 points back we were deducted but we were denied a place in SL as well.
Cant see any difference between what happened to Widnes and what has happened at Bradford.
For that reason I'm siding with Wakefield.'"
Did you think what happened to Widnes was wrong? Two wrongs don't make a right do they
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Did you think what happened to Widnes was wrong? Two wrongs don't make a right do they'"
No what happened to us, regarding the points deduction, was totally right. We were, at the time of going into administration, badly managed and something had to give when we failed to gain promotion.
The fact that we were punished with a 9 point deduction, then punished again by not getting a franchise, was wrong. We had a new owner in Steve O'Connor and was it fair on him to have to pick up the pieces from somebody else's mess? No.
O'Connor took the decision on the chin, abided by the rules and got on with turning the clubs fortunes around. He didn't start crying in the papers and to the RFL about it, he had a vision of what he wanted to achieve at Widnes and gladly, for all the long suffering Vikings fans, he is slowly but surely doing that.
Should Bradford not have the points deduction overturned and be relegated then the only ones to blame are the previous owners. At least if they do go down they know there is a chance in twelve months time to regain their SL position, whereas Widnes had to wait three years for that opportunity.
As you say Smokey, two wrongs don't make a right, but also two identical wrongs should receive identical punishments.
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| you can't argue that two wrongs dont make a right, but then also argue BRadford should be punished wrongly because Widnes were.
Widnes werent denied promotion because of their administration, they were allowed to apply, did, failed, and then regrouped and got it right. And good on them for it.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"you can't argue that two wrongs dont make a right, but then also argue BRadford should be punished wrongly because Widnes were. '"
I don't think you read my post, I didn't argue two wrongs dont make a right, I agreed with you.
I didn't say Widnes were wrongly punished with a points deduction, it was the correct decision and Widnes abided by it.
In Bradford's case it is also the correct decision, they should also abide by it.
It's not rocket surgery.
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| Quote The Horses Mouth="The Horses Mouth"I don't think you read my post, I didn't argue two wrongs dont make a right, I agreed with you.
I didn't say Widnes were wrongly punished with a points deduction, it was the correct decision and Widnes abided by it.
In Bradford's case it is also the correct decision, they should also abide by it.
It's not rocket surgery.'"
Why is it the right decision? What did Steve O'connor do to deserve a points deduction?
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| Quote The Horses Mouth="The Horses Mouth"I don't think you read my post, I didn't argue two wrongs dont make a right, I agreed with you.
I didn't say Widnes were wrongly punished with a points deduction, it was the correct decision and Widnes abided by it.
In Bradford's case it is also the correct decision, they should also abide by it.
It's not rocket surgery.'"
Rocket 'surgery'???
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